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Miriam Garcia Poggi
I'm a business analyst trying to learn new things (it's always good to keep the little grey cells active!)
Location Rosario, Argentina
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Excellent course! Gave me a lot of new tools to keep on researching. Thanks!
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
I'm running way behind everybody else, but wanted to thank Strathclyde and the wonderful group of educators for a great course, really informative and interesting.
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They were related: Mary Queen of Scots was Marie Antoinette great-great-great-great-great-grandmother.
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Sally Brierley
@SallyBrierley Mary was highly conscious of her position as queen, she would've never "debased" herself to a relationship with a servant (for that's what Rizzio was, a glorified servant.)
And there were not only other women in Darnley's life, but also men. Some serious historians think there is evidence that Darnley and Rizzio were lovers... -
And if it's far south, it shows up as Greek or Middle Eastern. I was truly surprised to see that with my mom's results, especially because most of her matches live in Southern Italy and we have the family papers to prove it...
The other side of her family shows as Iberian, but her matches are in the south of France, and we can back that up through the paper... -
I have uploaded my family DNA files to Geneanet, Ian. Got many results, some repeated and some new, obviously. It seems to focus on French ancestry, which suits me just fine, since one of my brickwalls is my mother's paternal grandmother who was born in Bayonne.
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I have, and found different matches in the different companies (I tested both my parents with FamilyTreeDNA and uploaded to Gedmatch, MyHeritage, LivingDNA and Geni. It's all very recent for me, so I'm still trying to figure out things, but I've already contacted a couple of higher matches with good results. Good luck!
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Margaret W
I'm on the other end of the spectrum: I've contacted a high match (his dad is a second cousin of my mom - both have taken their tests) and I had high hopes because we're trying to discover her paternal greatgrandfather (her paternal grandmother was illegitimate). Unfortunately, this third cousin of mine has next to nothing in terms of his tree, so we can't...
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That's my case too. I think we started things backwards, hopefully with all this new knowledge we'll put our tests to better use. Good luck!
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Hi everyone! I've just arrived both to this course and to the genealogy research, and I'm excited to be able to better understand the results of the tests both my parents have taken. I'm doing it just for fun, and with the idea that some day, my nephews may want to know more about their origins.
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@JanisThomson That's lovely! I've found a third cousin through DNA too, but we're stil trying to figure out the connection (my great-grandmother was the daughter of a single mom, so maybe it's there...)
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He was becoming unpopular a bit earlier, after casting aside Catherine of Aragon. I remember a novel I read, set at the time, that expressed the fears of women, seeing the well-loved queen being replaced for a younger model, and wondering if their husbands were now allowed to discard them as the king has done to his wife of more than twenty years. It was an...
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I did enjoy it! Probably because the filmakers didn't pretend it was the historical truth, unlike "others" I won't mention...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Gregory Monks
Wonderful summary!
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
I think it's interesting that these last years and all their troubles are usually glossed over. It's like whenever you read about Elizabeth I's reign, everything is Gloriana, wonderful victories and clever decisions, and none of these final bad years...
With her father, it's the other way round: everyone tends to dismiss the young good Henry, married to... -
@LeslieC He lived in cruel times. You can't look at it with XXI century eyes.
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Interesting podcast about William Cecil: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002zq6
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Helen Maltby
You can't look at it with XXI century eyes.
Even while in jail, she wasn't just a 16 y.o. girl, she was the figurehead of a treasonous rebelion against Mary's crown. It was Mary's original intention to let her live, but the rebelion spearheaded by Jane's father and Wyatt ended every hope for her. -
Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Sandy Schofield
I like your point! Poor girl, she was so unlucky we can at least give her a bit of recognition, can't we?
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Debbie Daley
It's on You Tube, in a (I think) legal channel...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Janet Seymour
I recently listened to a podcast about Jane that proposed the same theory. I think it was Helen Castor here: https://www.historyextra.com/period/tudor/the-tragedy-of-lady-jane-grey/
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Shouldn't she just be Queen Jane? After all, there hasn't been a Jane II yet.
To the best of my understanding, Queen Elizabeth I was just Queen Elizabeth until the present Queen took the same name. And we call King John just that, not John I... Any British learners who can explain this to a foreigner, please? -
Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Rob Bolton
I really liked what Dr Kesson said, your #4 observation. By not acknowledging Jane, we play right into Tudor's hands!
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Great letter, thank you for sharing!
Anne had certainly an exalted opinion of herself: her being the queen would be, in her words, "entirely to the advantage of the kingdom". My, my, aren't we proud, Anne dear! -
Dear Pooh Bear! We already have The Tao of Pooh, now we need a history book according to Pooh's views on life :)
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
I can strongly recommend Derek Wilson's book The Uncrowned Kings of England, about the Dudley family. Truly interesting and well written.
It's fascinating to think that twice in a short time a Dudley guy was really close to be king consort... (both Robert and Guildford.) -
Tried to watch it, and hated it.
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
I think in the first portrait, Holbein painted what it looks like a baby Henry VIII: I see the same face we see in the Whitehall Mural. He wants to emphasize the legacy of the father.
In the portrait where Edward is dressed in black, I see a teenager who can be ruthless: gone is the baby fat, and the thin lips look cruel. -
Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
While reading about the preachers he enjoyed listening to, and his striking the mentions he didn't like in the oath of supremacy, I was thinking "just a regular teenager, passion and feelings over reason and calm..." If you add to the teenage attitude the fact that he was the king(imagine that!), it would be much worse! I'm pretty sure he was quite...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to GILLIAN McIver
In Spanish, we have a saying: "a rey muerto, rey puesto". A similar expression in English would be "off with the old, in with the new", but it's interesting that we talk about kings ("rey").
The literal translation can be: "when the king dies, you put a new one in place", and this is what happened with Henry. No need to pay attention to the will of a dead... -
Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Debbie Daley
@DebbieDaley Richard's son died in March 1484, and coincidentally (or not so much), he had been declared Prince of Wales on 24 August 1483, right at the time there was no more sightings of the Princes... Having a rightful heir, he had every reason in the book to get rid of his nephews. Little did he know that less than two years later, both his wife and son...
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@MonicaPadilladelaTorre It was typical of the times: in the Middle Ages, physical deformities were associated with moral defects, and even witchcraft or demonic possession.
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@PeterRawcliffe In my most humble opinion, the Richard III course is only good if you believe in the newly anointed St Richard. I found it really biased in his favour.
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@GillianMoncrieff Not really. Polydore Virgil wrote Tyrrell killed the Princes, and that he did it upon Richard's orders...
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But there was an outcry at the time.
According to A.J. Pollard, who studied the subject in depth, and several other historians, many contemporary chroniclers mentioned rumours about the Princes' deaths and Richard's guilt. Even the Chancellor of France named Richard as guilty of his nephews' murders in the Estates General! And that was in 1484, so no need to... -
To be fair to Will S, Richard III WAS deformed! His spine was crooked, and at the time any physical defect was associated with a deformity of character...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
They were last seen under Richard's reign, Richard was the one who benefitted the most from their disappearance, Richard had put them into the Tower, Richard was crowned in a ceremony that was supposed to be his nephew's.
Occam's razor says he killed them, no matter how many farfetched theories Gregory and the likes of her concoct... -
That's my theory too. Either he ordered the murders, or some henchman went beyond the call of duty, à-la Thomas Beckett...
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@MaryHartley It's lovely! When you stay there, you can walk around the cloisters in the evening, and everything is so quiet it gives you an uncanny feeling. Eleanor of Aquitaine is one of my favourite historical figures and I've read a lot about her, so it was a dream of mine to visit the area: Chinon Castle where Henry II died with her by his side, the church...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Helen Palmer
I'd love to visit Ightham Moat! (Good memories of reading Green Darkness when I was a teenager...)
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My experience is to go early in the morning, when it opens queues are not that bad.
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@EmilyCanetta Lucky you! I visited last year with my nephew and can say that every guide we encountered was truly helpful, so thank you!
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The Ravenmaster is a great guy! He's published a good book about the ravens, and his accounts on social media are truly interesting.
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Deborah Pedersen
I didn't know about the virtual tour, Deborah. Thank you for your tip!
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@MaryHartley So interesting! I didn't know you could stay in Hever Castle! The closest I've done, I've slept one night in Fontevrault Abbey, in the Loire valley in France. It's the resting place of Eleanor of Aquitaine, her husband Henry II and their son Richard the Lionheart (unfortunately, their remains are no longer there, after the French Revolution, but...
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@CarolynQuinlan I had never heard of Lavenham, and just googled the name. It's really pretty, I wish I'd have known of it before my last trip to England, in 2019! Well, there's always next time, I hope...
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Lots of excellent comments! I don't see one of my favourite books about the period: Derek Wilson's The Uncrowned Kings of England, about the Dudley family.
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I have Ian Mortimer's book, but thanks for the recommendations, Alex and Alison!
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@AnnetteWoolfson Not really. In her own website, Gregory says "Her love for history and commitment to historical accuracy are the hallmarks of her writing."
After reading that bold claim, not all her readers will go looking for the real history behind her stories, and thus they'll never know she creates events out of thin air... A historical novelist may... -
Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
As someone who read tons of historical fiction in my teenage years and loved it, I can say there's a well-earned place in literature for writers like Anya Seton, Jean Plaidy or Margaret George, to mention but a few. They make it really clear that they are writing fiction, but they recreate just the inner persons of their characters, never the known...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Makes me want to read her novels (they've been in my to-read list for ages, I think it's time to move them up my pile!)
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I'm in the minority, but I have to say I loathe The Tudors. I could only watch half an episode before throwing my hands in the air! I'll never understand why the writers invented a sister for Henry, when he already had two, and they were both incredibly interesting!
I enjoyed Lady Jane when I was a teenager (not that the amazing looks of Cary Elwes had... -
Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to April Elsom
I think the upside of comedy is that nobody expects it to be true to actual history. So, if the subject attracts your attention, you will obviously try to find out more, whereas with drama, you may think you already know everything there's to know about the topic.
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I'm not so sure she didn't make it. I know Wikipedia is not an academic resource, but many historians cited in the entry believe it to be quite true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_to_the_Troops_at_Tilbury
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Excellent BBC documentary with all these points. Many historians in it (included our educator Prof. Lipscomb): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmWTkALTja0&t=4s
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Really useful timeline, thank you. I've never thought about it before, but Buenos Aires (the capital city of Argentina, my country) was founded in the same year Anne Boleyn was executed... interesting.
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@MartinGillham I'd say it's a fact that exactly half of your ancestors were women (unless you are a member of the upper class, and some of them were closely related. If so, please accept both my apologies and condolences ;-)
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(already said...)
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Katherine Braddock
Because of the movie? :)
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Debbie Daley
@DebbieDaley I apologise for my emphatic comment (blame my Italian blood and English being my second language!), and I didn't mean to dismiss your opinions, for sure. I can only offer that I think the two Philippas (Gregory and Langley) have done what I find a terrible job of pushing the envelope to the other extreme: IMHO, Richard III was not entirely the...
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@EmilyPreyser-Thorpe Great line, thanks!
Moreover, Elizabeth II descends from Lettice Knollys, she was such an interesting person! Robert Dudley's wife and Robert Devereux' mother, it's like her connections to Elizabeth I were never ending... -
I didn't know Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother descended from Mary Boleyn, really interesting. Thanks for your comment!
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to GILLIAN McIver
@EleanorLawson Almost three hundred years and ten generations before Henry VII.
Henry descended from your namesake in direct line, but it's quite complicated: Eleanor -> King John -> King Henry III -> King Edward I -> King Edward II -> King Edward III -> John of Gaunt (third surviving son) -> John Beaufort 1st Earl of Somerset (illegitimate son but... -
Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Debbie Daley
@DebbieDaley He was the king at the time they disappeared! Who else had access to the kids if not himself or his henchmen? At the time of his death, there were already rumours about the death of the little king and prince, and according to serious historians, that was the reason for many noblemen to take Henry Tudor's side at Bosworth Field.
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What an excellent teacher, Emilea! You were truly lucky.
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@MarthaLewis The problem is that for many people, if they've seen it in a "historical" show, it's the truth. Many viewers don't have your ability to analyse (or don't care enough...) and as Mary says, they end up thinking they are now "experts" on the subject.
Some coworkers found themselves on the wrong end of one of my rants because of The Tudors and The... -
Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Mara S.
@KatieJung Almost everything in that novel is false! Too bad Ms Gregory insists on her "research", because she misleads readers into thinking there's some truth in her books...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Gillian King
@ChrisPitt I'll see your three hundred and raise you nine thousand miles! (I'm from Argentina...)
When I last visited England, in 2019, we couldn't go to see the Mary Rose; now who knows when we'll be able to travel again... I hope we'll both visit it soon! -
She's replying to Caroline Bingley's comment, who calls her "a great reader" (without meaning it a compliment, of course!)
This is the full exchange:
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“Miss Eliza Bennet,” said Miss Bingley, “despises cards. She is a great reader, and has no pleasure in anything else.”“I deserve neither such praise nor such censure,” cried...
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
I'm in awe of my really talented fellow learners... Congratulations!
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Miriam Garcia Poggi replied to Kevin Lord
@NeilSpeirs This course has been the first time I've heard of IFAB. Interesting that it's not talked about that much.
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Have you ever heard of the Football War between El Salvador and Honduras in 1969? Although there were underlying issues between both countries, the spark that ignited the war was a World Cup qualifying match.
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@ClaudeLeGuyader You make an interesting point: fathers wanting their kids to "save" their families through professional football is a well-known phenomenon in South America. They dream of their kid being the new Messi, making a fortune.
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It's interesting to see that FIFA has more states members than UN (193 countries in UN, 203 in FIFA.) They could really be the most international organisation, and use all that power for good... maybe one day.
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And Havelange before Blatter, 24 years! That's too long a period for an institution not to change its head... and we've all seen what it led to.
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@ColinRead Oh, yes, thank you! I'm certainly enjoying this course and putting the lockdown to good use here. Stay safe!
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Interesting facts!
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Interesting point, the power of old shared emotions... You're right, they are important in building a cultural capital and increasing the influence of the game.
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@ColinRead Interesting, thanks for your reply! So, way back to the War of the Roses, you think? My, my, old sins do have long shadows indeed!
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@CamiloHernandez Usually good Colombian players come to Argentina, you're right. My team, Independiente of Avellaneda, has had a good number of great Colombian players: Usuriaga, Mondragon, great memories!
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I've said it too in another section of this week, I've just watched the first episode and they make a big thing of the passing game!
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Even though we're told that Scotland is just an example, it can't be avoided: it was Alexander Watson Hutton, a Scotsman and a graduate of Edinburgh University, who founded the Argentine Football Association in 1893.
So we owe a lot to Scotland too!
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From the other side of the political spectrum, the Argentine dictatorship in the late '70s used the World Cup championship win to strengthen their position in the government.
(Some would even say they had a hand in that win, but there are no firm proofs of that...) -
@JimGlover Yes, please, @ColinRead
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@DavidPears I began watching "The English Game" on Netflix this week. I don't know how much of its script is based on reality, but they address the issue of the first "professional" players in opposition to the Etonian aristocrats playing for fun. I look forward to other learners' opinions on it.
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But you can also look at it from the opposite point of view.
Most other countries lack the same interest in women's football the US has. So are US women the real measure of US football quality? Or, if women from other countries were equally invested in football, would we see the US dominance we see at present?
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@PeterConsitt Interesting point about Brexit. I wonder if the loss of foreign players (to some extent) may harm both the quality of play and the marketability of the Premier League, especially abroad and in the big TV markets...
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I had the chance to visit England last year, and our visit was during the Women's World Cup. I was really surprised by the level of interest there: we went to a big sports pub to watch the America Cup (was being played at the same time), and in the main room there was a huge crowd following the World Cup.
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Hi, Paul! You may have heard of my favourite team, Independiente of Avellaneda, in Argentina :-)
Looking forward to learn a lot from all of you dedicated fans! -
Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
Hi everyone! I'm Miriam, from Argentina, so football is in my blood, whether you like it or not :)
I hope to learn more about the history and influence of the biggest game in the world. -
@NatasaMS But is she really that weak? We never see or hear her. For all we know, she may be there, rolling her eyes behind her mother's back like every teenager in human history! I'd love to know what happened to her after all...
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A bit late to this discussion, but when talking about the influence of reading on our mental health, I can't help thinking of Don Quixote. Alonso Quijano read so many chivalric romances that he lost his mind (and Cervantes wrote that in 1605!)
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@CatherineRoss It's possible to upload your photos to Google Photos and share the link here, if we're allowed to do that. It would be lovely to see them! I've never been to Winchester... maybe in a future trip to England.
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Miriam Garcia Poggi made a comment
"A delightful companion"... what a wonderful definition!
She's that for me too, thanks Ms Le Faye for expressing what I feel in such a lovely way. -
@GillianDow In my case, more than a smile: I LOL'ed with the P&P line and had to explain why to my family... :) Thanks for the warm welcome, and hi to all from quarantined Argentine!
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@InekeFioole And most people are just like you: you'd never think writers may be making up things!
Only when you happen to come across a fiction about a real-life event you already are familiar with, is that you start to mistrust movie and show writers, and novelists! :) -
@BrigidTarrel Of course! I love Anya Seton too, her "Green Darkness" was the most romantic story my 14 y.o. self had read :D
But in my opinion, the problem with the likes of Philippa Gregory is that, unlike Anya Seton, she claims to do lots of research, and then she doesn't separate facts from fiction clearly.
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@JaneSaunte It would certainly have been wise of him, in my opinion.
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They obviously wanted to be on the winning side, whichever it was!
