Ben Pink Dandelion

Ben Pink Dandelion

I have worked on Quaker history, theology and sociology for over 25 years now. I work at Woodbrooke, the Quaker Study Centre in Birmingham but also work with Lancaster and Birmingham Universities.

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  • @DaleGodfrey Sorry, I have fixed the links now.

  • Lampitt was a puritan, perhaps 'half way there' in Fox's view, but still too wedded to scripture. Lampitt would lose his living in 1662 as more mainstream Anglicanism reasserted itself.

  • All I can find is this Ann. I hope it helps
    http://fwcc.world/kinds-of-friends

    Where allowed, as a non-credal church, Quakers are part of local ecumenical groupings and are full members of the national ecumenical bodies in Britain.

  • Thanks, Bill, Conservative and Liberal Quakers, those who worship in silence, tend not to 'spread the word' but see themselves as one faith option amongst all or none. From their perspective, nobody needs to join anything, whereas for evangelicals, Christian salvation is essential.

  • Thanks Diane, that's important to remember. Lampitt for one lost his living for example.

  • I am a Quaker, Dorothy, but hope I am committed to any course :)

  • absolutely, Maria

  • Thanks Irene, that's very helpful

  • @ChrisLoten Thanks, Chris, sorry I missed the password in your original message. Playing wonderfully.

  • @ChrisLoten Thanks Chris. I couldn't get the video to play, it said it was private.

  • @HughRobertson Days of Fasting and Humiliation were national days of public prayer and repentance called
    when recent events (such as a defeat in battle, a flood or a bad harvest) were taken to
    indicate God’s judgement. They could be called by the religious or the civic authorities;
    Cromwell called a number of these while he was in power as Lord Protector.

  • Thanks Bill. My sense is that Lampitt had a reputation and that Foix wanted to challenge him, also that he felt his congregation were potential converts. Swarthmoor Hall had a tradition of housing travelling preachers.

  • @MaryEllenKerans The journal was only published after Fox died but the manuscripts are available; that is why we know so much about the two versions. Certainly editing went on but I am not sure what the advantage would be in this case.

  • He was very able, Paul and the theology is quite straightforward in some ways. I assume he must have left Yorkshire not long after Fox did, or perhaps when it became clear that things were taking off in Westmoreland.

  • @ClaireWinstanley That's right generally Claire but when the Judge asked if he considered himself the son of God, he did not deny it.

  • @MaryEllenKerans I am not sure that I would take it that far, but that on a theo-political level, he couldn't really sit down with these people.

  • @BenWood sorry, Ben, I do not know.

  • @HughRobertson Thanks so much for searching all this out!

  • Ben Pink Dandelion replied to [Learner left FutureLearn]

    I think it is working now, maybe you were so quick off the mark!

  • I think it is working now, maybe you were so quick off the mark!

  • Thanks Susanna. 'Programmed' means there is a pre-arranged order of service, 'unprogrammed' is where the worship is based in silence. Quakers globally are divided into geographical 'yearly meetings'. Sometimes, as say with Norway, it will coincide with a a whole country, but in say the USA there are 29 yearly meetings. Sometimes there are yearly meetings...

  • Ben Pink Dandelion replied to [Learner left FutureLearn]

    I am not sure, Adrienne. The King agreed to see her so I assume it wasn't too outrageous.

  • We don't know how they really felt about each other, unfortunately.

    Here is Fell on women ministers:
    http://www.qhpress.org/texts/fell.html

  • @MicaelaKristin-Kali
    Directly below that you will see two buttons. Press View Page.

    Next page - that will take you to a badly OCR-ed view of the title page. At the bottom of that page press the button marked Page Image.

    Next page - now you should have reached the photographic image of the title page. From there, if you use the Next Image button you...

  • Yes, alas Micaela, they are not on the Lancaster website yet. They were first printed in 1710, titled A Brief Collection of Remarkable Passages and Occurrences relating to the Birth, Education, Life, Conversion, Travels, Services, and Deep Sufferings of that Ancient, Eminent, and Faithful Servant of the Lord, Margaret Fell; But by her Second Marriage,...

  • Yes, Jill, that is how I read it.

  • Yes, I think priest and minister are used interchangeably

  • James Nayler was one of the Seekers that Fox had met in Yorkshire in 1651. He was an early Quaker convert and a very able preacher. He was seen by many to be the leader of the movement.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Nayler

  • No, no proof I am afraid.

  • Ben Pink Dandelion replied to [Learner left FutureLearn]

    @AdrienneCullen-Morgan Not having the freedom to eat with them I think refers to Fox feeling he could not eat with them because it would involve a loss of spiritual integrity.

  • @AnnT Thanks Ann. Professors would be those professing religion, ie independent or unaffiliated preachers. Not having the freedom to eat with them I think refers to Fox feeling he could not eat with them because it would involve a loss of spiritual integrity.

  • Thanks Paul. He would respond if he thought God told him to! It just wasn't always in the expected form.

  • Ben Pink Dandelion replied to [Learner left FutureLearn]

    @AdrienneCullen-Morgan Thanks Adrienne. Penn only became a Quaker in 1666 so does not feature much in this course.

  • Thanks Irene. Fox felt that it was if he and the other Quakers were as 'adults' now in their relationship with God. That it was the time for humanity's adulthood in terms of the biblical timeline.

  • The key term here, Randal, is the pejorative use of 'reasoning'. The Quakers felt they has the real experience rather than just ideas or beliefs. But yes, they develop their own theology from that.

  • I think it would have been seen to be very rude in certain settings, as would failing to remove your hat.

  • @DoloresKoenig we will return to what happened to the Quakers later next week, but by the twentieth century Quakerism had divided into different branches with the British Quakers part of a Liberal tradition emphasising the spiritual journey as one faith option, rather than prescribing particular beliefs.

  • @BarbaraMyers and in Nayler's case, his wife Anne looked after the farm. Quakers were not the poorest of people and were often literate, but equally when religion is the most important question in a land that has already seen mass displacement through the civil war, maybe it was easier to leave home than say now.

  • Thanks, Liz. There was a great coherence to interpretation; perhaps people took their lead from Fox, but also Margaret Fell, who we meet next week, was very skilled at writing to the new communities and helping them frame their experience.

  • He dictated his journal on two occasions, both when he thought he was close to death in prison. Maybe those were the moments he had the time.

  • Fox first went to jail under a charge of blasphemy as he did not deny he was the son of God ( because he claimed all those who had had the kind of experience he had had were children of God). Churchgoing was expected of everyone at this time.

  • Thanks, Dale. I think they assumed there was one God. That seems implicit in many of their writings.

  • My understanding, Hugh, is that Puritans had a strong sense of a covenant of grace.
    https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtid=2&psid=3579