Michael Glover
We are lucky to spend winters in Benicassim, Valencia. 2015 Mid-September, Bretagne, Biarritz, a Corruna, Cap St. Vincent, Cadiz, Seville, Granada, Sierra Nevada to Benicassim. 12000K >> a long trip.
Location The next 6 months in Valencia region in Spain but have my data with me.
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It is the very industrial nature of English colonialism that makes it different to the other colonialist countries. It was an industry in itself with an end to the means, a reason for doing so for industrial production. Find the land, locate the resources, murder and or enslave the locals, take their land, steal the resources. Common themes around the world...
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Hy Mik, I lost the connection here. Ok, just reread above. Will get my Irish verse book out. @MikWisniewski
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There was something particularly industrial about English colonialism, yes, the outcome is much the same for the victims across history but all done on a net gain over expenditure, the P word, profit. And at about the same time that Marx and Engels were wrestling with an adequate description of Capitalism, just in England though, the best example.
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Thank you Sarah, just reread. @SarahVariantsBarry
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Hy Sarah, I was always told off by my family for spelling Micheal as you did. But a Republican politician spells his name Micheal in the same way. I note that Boris Johnson has great difficulty talking of the Republic and uses his Southern Ireland preference. When you talk about the north and the south are you talking politically or geographically? Are...
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Hy Sarah, you cannot blame the Sots, Welsh or Irish for the industrial construct of English Empire, especially considering Britain didn’t exist at the moments you speak of. @SarahVariantsBarry
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the Empire was at its peak in 1770. War with Washington and the Honourable East India Company. Two massive Imperial campaigns. During WW1 and W11 the Empire was collapsing.
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Yes on a time line, Cromwell to shut the back door on the French Catholic’s.
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Michael Glover made a comment
OK, I was born in North Staffordshire a hotbed of power and management of slaves, serfs and importantly for my family, miners. The area very rich In the back gold, coal. Lord Stafford’s statue sits on the hillside of Trentham, North Staffs. The companion statue sits on a similar hillside in Sutherland, Golspie. Lord Stafford was also the Duke of...
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Yes, entrenched in big history for a long time and still in action today. It was the Arab traders who sold the black African slaves to work in the Caribbean.
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Hy Andrew is there a list of names who left. @AndrewMillard
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Michael Glover made a comment
I was an indentured carpentry and joinery apprentice in North Staffs in 1964 for the full 4 years of my studies and work, though well paid compared to non indentured, they looked after me. To find in my recent research about Lord Stafford, about 1550 who became the Duke of Sutherland at this time is amazing and opens all sorts of stories about the...
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Michael Glover made a comment
The beginning of English industrial production approximately. 1550, Lord Stafford marries Dowager Sutherland, but also find Devine 2019, The Scottish Clearances, not just Sutherland and visit the Brora Salt Pans Research Project.
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Yes, 1936 is a BIG interest of mine. We are in Benicassim close to the Hotel Voramar. We were born in North Staffs and local men died here in 36 from where we once lived. One very significant local hero spent 4 years in a Spanish prison during Guerra Civil playing chess with pieces of bread.
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Michael Glover made a comment
We live the winters just over the border in Valencia, Benicassim to be precise, we both study Spanish and look forward to Residency. We know Vila Nova I La Geltru. We have completed travels around the whole Iberian Peninsula, once coming south from Andorra. By following the Ebro from Lleida it is easy to see why Big Spain doesn’t want to lose Catalunya, the...
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Have you read the Flight of the Earls poem 1604ish.
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Michael Glover made a comment
Was there any evidence of mutilation or cannibalism?
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The phrase the Industrial Revolution didn’t start on a particular day or finish somewhere, given today’s continuing issues. This is where the Dickens quotes, from an eye witness, from Hard Times and in school, come in handy. ‘ ... give them facts, facts ... nothing else rip everything else from them ... . When I noted the comments on the writers of the...
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Michael Glover made a comment
This course had to start at a logical point but really the issues and motives discussed began a lot earlier. It is a subject central to my continuing family and English social history research. There could have been some contrast of earlier writing and information to the Victorian novelists and for one of your learners to decry the work of Engels shows...
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These days under the terms of the Children’s Act the age of 26 is applicable. Well at least in Youth Justice terms in other words the Law. @JohnWilliams
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Michael Glover replied to C T
Hy CT are you from North Staffs? The Prims grew out of north Staffs, coal, clay and iron ore. A growth area of workers political action. They ranted on Mow Cop in the administrative Parish of Odd Rode. I was a Paris councillor in Odd Rode, the largest Parish in Cheshire but the industrial history places it firmly in North Staffs.
See follow on.
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Hy again Deborah, given today’s date thought you might like to see Odd Rode Remembered. Lives of the First World War, I published the the lives of the dead available in All Saints Chruch, church land Scholar Green in the Parish of Odd Rode. There is a Booth amongst them.
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.iwm.org.uk/community/237/?page=2
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Look up the verse of Robbie Burns when he scolds the high Church. ... go gently by your fellow man even gentler sister woman though they Goa a kennin wrang to step aside is human ... ask them why they travel ... . Bb @HannahThomas
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Where was this account from.
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Michael Glover made a comment
As Devine remarks, 2018, there are two monuments to the Duke of Sutherland. One in Sutherland at risk of demolition by local antagonists and one in Trentham gardens North Staffs, protected, still much coal under this land. Most importantly for me are those in Halmerend, North Staffs with reference to the Minnie Pit Disaster. But significantly the
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@ERSM And of course the ex SS members recruited to work in mines, in Staffs for sure. They were spotted in the showers as a result of their tattoos. Most left and joined the French Foreign Legion and fought and died in Vietnam.
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Well Kirstie, for me this is a UK wide course. It is great just to read the family accounts from all sorts of places. The Minnie Pit Disaster was obviously special to me and at a critical historical moment, but from some of the comments there are some fantastic family history memoirs out there. This a good topic and rounds up what English Industrial...
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Society by accident or a logical process Durkheim or Weber certainly not Marxist, funded by Engels, mining as a money making venture. Your comparison with Amazon is an insight, ask the Amazon workers? Exercise some care yourself Peter B. His book was the only analysis of the development of the effects of industrial capitalism along with Das Capital by Marx....
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OK, more space. They could be arrested for preaching in the open so they organised massive events on the hill behind where we lived from about 1800 >>. Simply, too many to arrest. They also had women preachers. I am not a Christian, but the proximity of the religious/political action contributed to the birth of the Labour movement. The Prims were also...
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Hy Deborah, I found your comments interesting, thanks. I have reread one of my postings and can’t get to it to edit. Anyway simply ... some should read Sir Barnard Stross, the miners doctor really and he was also the first Stoke on Trent, North, Hanley, MP after WW2 ... . Feel better now. There was some great work done on the Minnie Pit Disaster last...
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Michael Glover made a comment
Thanks for that description Arthur. My GGrandfather, George Burgess was a Hewer killed in the Minnie Pit explosion, 12th January 1918. He worked a seven foot seam.
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Michael Glover replied to Charles weager
OK Charles you have worked hard. We bought our caravan in Belgium 2008 £4,000 cheaper than UK so it works both ways I suppose where ordinary everyday people are concerned. According to the sound I heard the mailing should have arrived. Reply if so.
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Michael Glover replied to Charles weager
Don’t know so much about the sponging, many Belgium refugees did ordnance work and right now today you may know of the project to remember the Belgium refugees who escaped to the U.K., think it is at Leeds University. I have a copy of the original report of the arrival of refugees from Belgium. Check out Professor Ray Johnson at Staffs University, they have...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I placed this post in the earlier discussion pages. I was less than thorough and didn’t copy my copy. A mature student tactic since about 1990, ongoing. I found the relevant pages of FL in the back tabs on the top row of my super new iPad though. But it was difficult to find on the pages for this course now the course has begun proper.
I have joined many...
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Michael Glover made a comment
When me and my twin sister were born in 1949 the head of our family Doctor’s practice was Dr. Barnard Stross later to become Sir Bernard Stross. The man who led miners around the U.K. to remember Lidice, who was elected the first MP in Stoke-on Trent after WW2, and a Polish man, other doctors were Desser and Lowen. Stross worked tirelessly with lung diseases...
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Michael Glover made a comment
Hello fellow learners and Sir Jim Macdonald, thanks for the Introduction. I spent a lot of my formative years as a young skilled woodworker, indentured, working with men who fitted out the big boats on the Clyde. I read Devine 2018, The Scottish Clearances. I am in contact with the Brora Salt Pans Research Project in Sutherland. We camped there about 10...
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Michael Glover replied to Helen Thomas
Hy Helen I like the movement from the land to industry example of your family.
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Michael Glover replied to Bob Gray
A good account Bob and one that can be generalised around the UK in other suitable geological locations as the search for coal, as an energy source was located, devoured for industrial purposes and finally scraped clean as if to wipe out the memory of the lives and community which once existed in that place. @BobGray
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Michael Glover replied to Charles weager
Hy Charles, have you seen the report on the arrival of BELGIUM refugees in Newcastle under Lyme 1914.@Charlesweager
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Michael Glover made a comment
Yes, these are the things to learn when younger.
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Michael Glover made a comment
A nice general statement Ken, thanks. The forces of reaction, it is a tradition in North Staffs, where we are from but not as far back as the Scottish version although a lot of Scottishness in it. But where and how did it develop in its earliest form in Scotland. I read Scottish Enlightenment on WIKI, it seems a logical account, a process, and moving with...
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Hy Ken, but where did those ideas come from? Take a look at what Lord Stafford aka Duke of Sutherland is doing in Stafford town centre, selling off a piece of land, which will upset the man because it has been in their family since 1085, nothing to do with money, of course. Not very different is the answer to you question.
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The above should read this group of people ... or were the Edinburgh Set influenced by Quaker ideas post Cromwell about land ownership, the ruling class and the high church.
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Hy, so was it the Endinburgh Set who gave him his ideas. Can you recommend a source for the group of people? The tone in a lot of his work particularly ‘go gently by your fellow even gentler sister woman’.
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Michael Glover made a comment
Not had as much time as usual but got a friend to register so he has kept me upto speed with the goings on. Also I am reading Devine, The Scottish Clearances 2018. We lived in North Staffordshire so know well the goings on of the Stafford and Sutherland. Visit the Brora Salt Pans project, a direct link with north Staffs. Lots more info on this project too...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I love the comment where are you from, a difficult question to answer for me? I live in Spain during the cold English winter months, a great little town called Benicassim and have recently discovered that I am 25%. Irish with my my twin sister, Maureen, what other name should she have, four brothers too? There is an Irish community here and at least 3 Irish...
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Michael Glover replied to Manju G
Hello Manju, both my knees he OA too. Recently in Devon England I was urged to have a new knee, I would pay. £20.00 in UK Nuffield, only my righ knee. 300 dolars in Madrid. We arrived in Valencia for our usual winter break, many months and the local Spanish doctor an older woman sent for urgencia xray on my right foot. we had been step measuring to keep...
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Michael Glover made a comment
OK FL, I’m here. I am a migrant, I travel throughout Europe on an annual basis where we are happy to go, me and Sandra and very many others witha similar personal profile. But we are both over 60s, well heeled with a lot of knowledge and long term view of social change. Now in Spain for the warmer winter, we call ourselves ‘diddy coys’ and movement from the...
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Ideas of social well-being seem to have gone awry since 1949 and the post war2 world I was born into with it. Where did the philosphy of 8 hours rest, 8 hours pleasure, and 8 hours labour disappear to? if this course is to have any meaning instead of just navel gazing and learning ideas which were very active in my youth then a bit of honesty is required. ...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I have had a lot of treatment on many musculoskeletal injuries as a result of accidents from manual labour as a skilled craftsman but also as a result of slips and trips and falling off my bike. I enjoy a good massage, I listen to the advice from physiotherapists particularly, never take to the knife. I wish I had learned this rule before I had my 4/5th...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I should add I was never very good at following rules, accept out 'self-interest', something I learned in academia.
.... Aged 40 I went to a number of Universities and still study today, social history my real interest. As a reward I spend winters in Spain, good for my bones travelling with my wife by car and caravan different routes across Europe to our...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I was born in 1949 ten minutes before my twin sister. Post-war Britain seemed to have a lot of processes in place for newly born and other little ones. One of my longest memories is attending the baby clinics where physical development, and the distribution of tinned dried milk and bottles of orange juice are what I remember most. And so physical...
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Michael Glover made a comment
“The coroner recorded an open verdict, but it is pretty clear that she had no means to feed herself or her child regardless of whether or not this was the cause of death.
I suspect that she died first and the toddler lingered, as the autopsy found the child to also be dehydrated, and the mother, if alive, would have been able to pour water for her child at... -
Michael Glover made a comment
Here I am back again. Skills are what you have learned, strategies are really about the learning situation, what is going on and what is the best way to get ideas information across. I was privileged to work with little learners and big and older learners finding what interests the groups is key to passing on the other stuff which can come later.
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Michael Glover made a comment
This is not my first FL course. I am retired and live in Spain through the colder Northern European winter. I totally endorse the initial comments fro the course introduction. Here in Valencia we meet many different peoples speaking Spanish, the phrase Internationale Brigadas seems to fit well, learning a subject, all learners with a common interest.
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Michael Glover replied to Stewart Mccardle
It wasn't always fun Stewart, many of the Primitive Methodists were arrested and jailed for preaching outdoors, there must have been some sort of High church regulation enshrined within the law, after all the Head of the Church of England today is the Head of Parliament and the head of British armed forces. Particularly if you fell foul of the Poor Law and...
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Michael Glover replied to Kelly Wright
Yes Kelly, it was a process from one point to the next point in social development and continues in very similar and for vey similar reasons. Henry's greed, he wiped out English wine making when he smashed out Abbeys. Sheep farming became an industry, so move people of the land. The masses gathered because so many were experiencing the new times and needed...
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Michael Glover replied to Carolyn Fox
Carolyn you have just triggered an idea, we lived very close to Holmes Chapel in mid/south Cheshire, England. Not too far from Lancashire either. But also very close to name places like Nantwich and Barthomely both places with big Civil War connections including our neighbour a big landed estate Lord. But I only have one connection yet to the Quakers in...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I am drawing a historical timeline from about 1650ish to the present, or even guessing about the future. A common theme is how ordinary folk react to a set of social conditions they find themselves in. Some of the words of Ben really interest me ... equality of all, the possibility of transformation and salvation in this life ... and a radical understanding...
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A great question Estabaliz.
What happened is part of an ongoing industrial society issue, a process, a mechanised view of asset grabbing, in the case of Ireland the land, as a profit making resource. The events in Arabia right now, today are part of the same process. Draw a line west to east, left to right, put your important dates on it, a time line, add...
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Thank you Mathew, you have been busy, my one word is somewhere lost in the ether, and is missing. more than one, I know.
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Michael Glover made a comment
I draw a line across time which begins with Robert Burns and end it today or about in 10 years time which I intend to live, which is my sensible plan with fingers who knows what is possible. Along the line I put Keir Hardy, founder of the Labour Party, very close by I put the Primitive Methodist movement, who rose up in north Staffordshire, very close to...
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Michael Glover made a comment
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this down below in previous comments but the posters and propaganda are a cynical exercise to persuade the easily persuaded to take up arms and go to war, with all the destruction that entails. Massive, in the case of World War One, which still has a lasting and great Global influence with on-going effects.
At the end of...
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Michael Glover made a comment
Well done everybody, only the Austrailians could give a people's perspective as opposed to Nationalism. I would have liked some reference to the Austrailian state as opposed to a nation as members of The Empire. It may be in the above course but I have missed it. If the Austrailian navy came into being in 1913 when did Austrailia become a state, that sort...
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Michael Glover made a comment
19/11/2015
I know this discussion is about lives after the war, so is my paternal family's history and the history of the place where they lived. Remembering a mining disaster in January 1918 is a regular event in north Staffordshire, on an annual basis too since the disaster where 158 men died. The men were part of the WW1 war production where coal was...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I mentioned it earlier to a commentator but the archives of the Primitive Methodists are worth reading. The COs stories are intelligent, the rant of the PMs was education, education, education. They were educated to believe that taking another life was against their god's law and resisted all the threats and bad treatment they were given. The stories of the...
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The question still remains, at a time of growing trade union action in the UK as a challenge to the state and a time of direct action by women for better rights, more challenge and more enlightenment how come people still went along with the Empire line of thought. There is an account of Welsh miners who were called up going on strike about the living...
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Michael Glover made a comment
What interests me most about Sam is he enrolled in the RFA, and became a gunner. He was arrested in Paris, was he? My grandfather was at Amiens, not far from Paris, in the CCS 41 with Anzac forces, I have a photograph which I am trying to publish in Australia. Sam was shot at dawn, fighting for the British, my grandfather was shot in the hand having been...
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Michael Glover replied to Theresa Henderson
The Vera Brittain account, Testament to Youth, is very useful for me. She was a Vad in the general hospital at Etaples on the coast but in the Somme estuary area but to the north slightly during the Spring Offensive, 1918. She describes how the hospital became more like a front line casualty clearing station (CCS). Her eye witness account describes the...
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Michael Glover replied to Michael O'Flaherty
Hya Michael, find the story of the Irish Benedictine nuns from Ypre, who esaaped back to Stone in Staffordshire, look at the devastation of the Abbey in Ypre. Not the best year but someways linked, they went back to Ireland in 1922.
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Michael Glover made a comment
Sam's life was very special to his mother. A lot of family history in the U.K. is about lives that have been lost in war or in other ways, not very long ago either, in Australia too. My father was born in March 1918, his grandfather and uncle, the son of his grandfather died in a Pit disaster along with 158 others, all producing coal for the first world war...
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Michael Glover made a comment
See previous comment above with reference to Sam. 1.23.
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Michael Glover made a comment
Sam's life was very special to his mother. A lot of family history in the U.K. is about lives that have been lost in war or in other ways, not very long ago either, in Australia too. My father was born in March 1918, his grandfather and uncle, the son of his grandfather died in a Pit disaster along with 158 others, all producing coal for the first world war...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I researched a life of the first world war who worked in the great hall behind where we lived in Cheshire, England, he was a clerk.
James Holland was shot at dawn (SAD) aged 31, in 1916. He had been over the top 8 times and was found confused on the 9th. He was a NCO, Lance Corporal. The previous day's had seen a great loss of life, bombardments, and...
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Michael Glover made a comment
Hya everyone.
My name is Michael Glover, Mick to most, not Mike, Michael to family, Mr Glover to some, Sir, to others and ‘hey you’ to many. My interest in this course is associated with work I have been doing for about 5 years in anticipation of the centenary of World War One.
My initial focus was my maternal Grandfather, Thomas Edward Wright, I have... -
Michael Glover made a comment
Steve has just reminded me of an occasion in a night club when I rolled down a long flight of stairs, luckily my fall was cushioned by the 2 bouncers below me.
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Michael Glover made a comment
OK a good video and confirms for me most of my personal analysis after looking and watching people who I judge to be older than me to see how they have fared over time and what can I do to avoid a similar condition, though the oldest man I have met personally had a good skeleton. He was a 102.
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Michael Glover made a comment
Wow, a sudden surprise, our little dog pulling the wrong way, me not think about my personal risk strategy, but often accompanied with embarrassment and sometimes a loud bang. I sit up carefully, make sure I've got all my bits, check the environment, try to analyse what actually happened too. Check where my wallet is.
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Michael Glover made a comment
I get the feeling the message box won't be big enough for me.
I work very at practical solutions to preventing my falls, things I do and things I don't do. How I walk and where I walk, I cannot run as a result of the back injury.
5 years ago after an arthroscopy which revealed osteo arthritis I was told I should have a new knee.
I have watched a lot...
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Michael Glover made a comment
I am here because I fall.
My age is 66 but when I was about 40ish I had a 4th and 5th Lumbar Vertrabe disc removed which left me with a wasted left calf and dropped left foot.
Within 12 weeks I was back working on building sites.
Walking was difficult but I could fix my left foot to pedal of my bike with the pedal clip, but not on the right foot which...
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Michael Glover made a comment
My interest in this course is closely associated to my families memory and my own interest which has developed as a result of the knowledge of my families experiences. I started about 1840 but I am focussing right now on 1914/1918 and on what some members of my family were doing during this time.
It is popular to learn about the history of your family over...
