Kim Wiggins
We live on beautiful Jackson Lake, Ga, USA. Until C19, I traveled extensively to Europe and England with my husband, who is a Delta pilot. Thankfully, at 60 I have returned to international travel
Location Monticello, Georgia, USA
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I see similarities and differences. Some of Shakespeare seems like a foreign language. Since he borrowed and changed foreign words to fit his artistic creations, it makes me realize English isn’t always English.
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As others have observed, many words have entered our lexicon that we think they have been with us forever. Orwell is a perfect example. English is a flexible.language that seems to be constantly evolving.
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I easily recognized 2:of the 3 since we had read about them earlier. I dis not consider Neptune bit should have known better.
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There are so many words that are foreign we incorporate into our daily speech; I believe many people !at not even realize they are using other words. The concept of using other languages to be able.to create a different tempo or feeling had just never occurred to me. I can easily see how using a word incorrectly by someone trying to appear more.sophisticated...
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Both legal and !medical terms are Latin in origin. If you look at the words, there are many French, English, Italian words that are very similar. Hadn't one major controversy of the Bible.being made available in English (under Edward Tudor) one that many thought would corrupt the Church of England? So, in this same general time frame, we see Shakespeare...
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To me, I have always thought of this style of language to be common among the upper classes that were better educated, thus sharing a taught pattern of speech.
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This rings very true to me. Most people were illiterate and had limited access to books and writings. I remember two examples where I have been told even well educated people had different spellings. There was specifically the spellings of the 3 wives of Henry named Catherine, Kathryn, and Katherine and Jane (Grey) the Queen. It could become confusing but I...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
It looks like I am going to learn a whole lot about Shakespeare, writing techniques, and the meaning of his works. This will be fascinating.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I haven’t read as much as I would like. I’ve read McBeth and Romeo and Juliet. I will be seeing The Tempest at The Alabama Shakespeare Festival in March. We actually saw a modernized version of Julius Caesar many years ago at Stratford Upon Avon. I mainly only remember some of the words being totally unknown to me and very very formal. I am an avid fan of the...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I'm Kim and I live on beautiful Jackson Lake, Georgia. I love history and reading so this looks like a course I woiuld.enjoy. I have a degree in European History but think you need to always.expand your education. I am .slightly obsessed with British history and am fortunate enough to be able.to travel.there (and Europe) 8-10 times.a.year. Shakespeare wrote...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Great class! I had no idea what to expect but it was one that made me think. Very nicely done.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I have !earned that it is very important to understand the environment of any given story. There are underlying issues that can explain a character's actions or an authors desire to educate or enlighten the readee.
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I actually think, while.the punishment appears harsh, she knew she was marrying a.less.than stellar man. In spite of that, she disobeyed him KNOWIING THE CONSEQUENCES. Both if these characters had flaws but only the man os.punished in the end.
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She came out way better than she deserved. She knowingly put her self in danger even though her husband was a terrible person. In the end, she rewarded her family which helps to rehabilitate herself in my eyes.
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I found the delay to be annoying. It actually puts Bluebeard in a better light; not exactly lenient but he gave her time. She was wrong and then still tried to put off the punishment she knew was coming. Would children enjoy this? There is repetition in her calls to her sister but I did not enjoy that. Children may!
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It is a complete symbol of being permanently marked no matter how repentant one is. She went out of her way to eradicate the blood and then attempted to deceive her husband.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Just for purposes of sanitation, it would be a challenge to keep them there. Serial killers frequently keep.trophies of their vicrims. This seems.a bit extreme but maybe he didn't want to risk the chance of burying them and having them found.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
They are all.good choices. Having the knowledge of Jer fate perhaps colored some.other people's choices.
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The most sure way to get someone to do something is to forbid it. Don't eat from the tree of knowledge. Don't look back. Don't help me whitewash this fence. I also believe she had a natural curiosity. Why every other room and not this one?
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
She seemed completely willing to marry this horrible man based on the lifestyle he offered her. Yea, she had agency in the beginning by allowing herself to marry him. Even though she did not love or like or find him attractive, she sacrifices all in the name of a wealthy husband.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I have never heard of this story and have not found
anyone else familiar with it. I first thought Blackbeard but have a feeling this story is completely different. I really have no clue what to expect here. -
Thanks.for posting that. I was just wondering g where I could find the other stories.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I am.familiar with only 3 bit am now curious to read the others. I believe all.3 send the message that one should always do what is right. Bad things happen bit usually there is a happy ending if patience and perseverance are present. And, as noted in previous lessons, there can be fantastic magical elements!
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
These later editions (many of which I have read) seem geared toward younger audiences, unlike the earlier types that were enjoyed more by adults. A broader number of readers would have been made possible because more people.were literate and the readership would have been able to consume shorter more.to the point tales.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I have not heard of these writers. Perhaps a woman would be a good transmitter because the stories would have been seen as coming g from a nurturing motherly type figure. The female would also be considered the one in charge of shaping the morale and values of her family.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
The fate of the sisters was a complete surprise. Actually their existence of them and their similarities to the Cinderella sisters was completely new to me.
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I guess the message that living a good life will give you reward in the end isn’t too far off the mark for a lot of people. Not explaining the curse baffles me. Did he do something really horrible so was cursed only to be rescued by his true love would only reinforce the idea that being good is what is important in the end.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I see this as a cautionary tale meant to demonstrate one reaps what one sows.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Beaumont seems to try to show that inner qualities far outweigh superficial characteristics. However, at that time marriages (among the more affluent people which these stories were aimed at) were frequently manufactured by the parents who would have sought wealth and status over a good and sincere heart.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I only know that character from snippets of the Disney movie. After reading the version here, I see the character as extraneous and possibly only added to bring in more drama.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I see it as validating the show or concealment of emotions depending g on how this may affect people in your sphere.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I would never just walk int someone’s home and proceed to eat their food and sleep in their beds. And to take something without permission? No. I mean, when you go to a dinner party or stay overnight, you take a hostess gift like wine or flowers. That’s just polite. However, imposing a death penalty on someone seems just a tad extreme. So perhaps it is a good...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Life was hard for the vast majority of people. If there was an emerging middle class (such as merchants) this could have allowed a small group of people to go up the ladder. Labor to produce basic things like a meal or keep a home warm meant very few people had an easy, leisurely life.
Beauty does seem to be a rose without a thorn. It’s almost caricature...
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It’s interesting to me that Beauty is presented as clearly the most attractive as well as sweetest one. In real life beautiful women are frequently shallow and obsessed with their looks. Again, this part of the story so much reminds me of the evil stepsisters of Cinderella. But I supposed you have to have a physically beautiful girl to contrast with the...
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Recognizing inner worth and just being a good person. I had never considered the overwhelming message that these stories were geared toward more affluent reader. It seems obvious (poor people could not read nor spare the time on frivolity) but I have always thought of fairly tales as providing inspiration for the less monetarily blessed.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Izzy d
I found the Cinderella comparisons quite remarkable.@SaskiaS
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I do not. I have never watched any of the movies, only heard some of the soundtrack.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Well, obviously some type of animal, hence the “beast” designation. Probably large and muscular. Not like an athlete, more like a bear or bull. His voice is described as gravelly. Hairy? Horns? I think these come to mind based on pop culture but also they are animal attributes. But is he also part human with just exaggerated grotesque figures? I think so. It’s...
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As mentioned previously, I am familiar with the man and woman from the French court who were “real life” beauty and beast. He had a medical condition that caused excessive hair growth. He was a member of the court, almost like a jester or fool. He was married to a young lady at the court almost as a joke for entertainment. In the end, they lived a fairly...
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Well, that was certainly different! I don’t think I have even seen the movie from a few years ago but thought I knew the basics. This was quite reminiscent of Cinderella with the sisters aspect. I very much enjoyed this. There is a true story of a figure in the French court who suffered hypertrichosis. Although more of a bizarre source of entertainment, he...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
In some fairy tales, the stereotype is totally accurate but in others the princess heroine can be quite strong . This would have conformed to the traditional roles of women when those stories were created. I am encouraged now by the role models in modern day tales popular with young women (Katie’s, Tris, Bella) and see how much they have evolved.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Magic and fantasy are integral parts of this type of story. Some things just don’t happen in real life.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Grimm version definitely presents more opportunities to get distracted and misled. Her mother also cautioned her to go directly there and not get off the path. Little Red Cap just seems like a sweet naive girl who figures out a way to explain the delay in delivering the cake and wine and flowers.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
She is too forthcoming with information! Very detailed directions to Grandmother’s house and a basic lack of guile. Trusting and innocent.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
My daughter had a video with lots of old school fairy tales presented as cartoons. I think the versions were adapted from the original ones. Many details were quite different from the ones we see today. Mostly they are not as politically correct, with details many today might find offensive in our modern eyes.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Take the wine to grandmother was a nice touch. The ending is closer to my memory but the trough and drowning part are new. Very vivid images came to mind!
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Kim Wiggins replied to Heather Riddell
Totally agreed.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
For me,, as mentioned before, I never remotely placed sexual connotations on this story. If you are looking for that, I suppose it could be made into that. I wonder if, in the time it was written, it would not have been seen as sexual, just a cautions story.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Repetition used as a tool for oral telling of the story makes sense since that would make the listeners remember better. It also is a very effective tool to build to the climax of the story.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Rach B
Well said.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
As she is presented as so naïve, I don’t think she would have had reason to fear a stranger. Some child psychologists say a child who is happy and confident in her home environment will perceive the world as the same and be comfortable in unfamiliar places with unfamiliar people. This seems very foolish to us now as we live in a dangerous world. A young lady...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I would say maybe 8 or 9 because her mother would not have let a child much younger go off by herself, even in a more innocent time. One of our classmates mentioned the menstrual cycle aspect. That and the idea that she is being seduced (which to me brings to minds sexual issues) are just things I have never thought of.
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I live on a lake in a very rural area. We see deer and rabbits and armadillos all the time. I always thought of the woods or forest as beautiful and sweet but this mindset makes me see it in a different t way.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Pat Squires
That is a very good question.
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I love this!
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Kim Wiggins replied to Bonnie Durtnall
Yes, the trickster is a common theme in mythology in many cultures.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
This story actually reminds me of the story of Jacob from the Bible. He uses deception by covering himself with the skin of an animal to gain his brother’s rightful inheritance. I believe “sheep in lamb’s clothing” may derive from this story. Trickery is a common theme.
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@VivienneEvans Sadly, I think you are 100% correct.
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I hadn't thought of the parents being the target audiience. That is very clever of you.
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@AspenHoppie Do you think perhaps the slant you mentioned could be because the social and class structure of that time saw men as almost uneqivocally the power player and women as inferior in almost every way?
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@EvaCline That's a very good take on the social climate of.the ti!e.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I had completely forgotten the wolf going into grandmother's bed and pretending to be her! Its funny because I have always told.my daughter (now an adult) that the bad guy looks.like.everyone else so don't be only wary of the ones who look scary.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Sweet little girl in an adorable cloak goes to help take care of and cheer up her grandmother. Evil wolf has already eaten grandmother. After trying to trick her and succeedining (what big teeth you have) he is then slain by a huntsman. Red riding hood and grandmother are then saved.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Saira Kazmi
Yes, i.seem.to believe there are several versions.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Felicity Ridel
Good point.
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I think.I remember the huntsman but I have a feeling that is wrong. Think a revisit to the story is required.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Izzy d
@Izzyd Is that a Native American tale? I'm not familiar with that exact story but it reminds me of that type of tale from World Myth class.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Miriam Yunis
@MiriamYunis I hadn't really thought of.it that way but you are spot on.
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Growing up, I wasfascinated with many "traditional" beautiful girl done wrong but emerges victorios tales: Snow White, Little Red Riding g Hood, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella. I always look for the happily ever after in books and movies todsy. Sadly, it really bothers.me.when the twist turns dark or negative (as in the Divergent series). I know its.silly, but...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Fairy tales for me always are a magical adventure. I enjoy the good vs. evil aspects that are usually present. I must admit I enjoy the modern versions that present quirky turns and bad guy or girl points of view.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Hey, I'm Kim from Atlanta. I love history and literature so this seems a perfect way to kick off the new year.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Oral history and folklore both can be interpreted by individuals who may chose to highlight or neglect factors they do not agree with. This could also happen totally by human error. They are great methods of story telling but lack more tangible aspects the written word would have.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Poets, historians and doctors are not commonly seen linked as a group of power brokers, are they? I very much enjoyed the comparisons and contrasts of Ireland and Scotland.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Interesting to see how religious affiliations coincided with power and status.
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Kim Wiggins replied to Kim Wiggins
We came from Scotland to Pennsylvania to North Carolina (Charlotte). Would have to find the genealogy but it was early 1800. There was a group who then traveled to Alabama to farm. Although I am from Alabama, this is pure coincidence. @LorraineMcCall
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
It is always difficult for me to understand the depths of passion where religion is involved. I know that, in those times past, it was literally considered life and death to be Protestant or Catholic and people would kill in the name of the religion they backed. I find it completely fascinating to see how the clans incorporated their more pagan beliefs into a...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I love the idea that friendship was a form of legal bonding between groups. This is actually how we and our very close friends feel about our bonds. The expression “You can’t chose your family but you can chose your friends” springs immediately to mind..
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Forbes seems to have a cynical and clinical view of a “clan” with no personal contact. Oran frames his work as heart felt and personal. While they both agree that the heads take care of their people, the first writing is rather cold and detached while the more poetic contribution is personal and loving.. Forbes official position and background would,...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I found the use of the word “kind” to be very surprising but also very lovely. As with most historic social structures, those in charge had a great deal of responsibility. It must have been a fine line to walk at times.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I can see both choices as valid factors. I think I chose the Stewart answer because it seemed a more broadly faceted scenario.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I was once told the the McCalls come under the McDonald clan. It seems there are many variations! The way the different groups shifted in power is always fascinating. And the use of the female members to forge power alliances is very similar to aristocratic and royal marriages that I am familiar with on the larger scale in Europe and England.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Many of those words look vaguely familiar (some of the roots) but it turns out most of the ones I though I could figure out were completely different from my first impression. Thank you for providing this resource as well as the audio element.
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That is a very interesting insight. I think I tend to completely romanticize history. @LaurenGemmell
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I am technologically challenged so not sure I completed this correctly. The main words I came up with were family, tribe, tartan, kinship, patriarchal, loyalty.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
As mentioned previously, my husband and I both have Scottish links in our heritage. We are also huge history geeks (I have a degree in History, focused on European history). I enjoy learning of all areas of my heritage. Several years ago (way before the days of the Internet) I had a cousin trace our family back to the 1690s and the immigration to the USA. We...
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
What a wonderful group to learn of the various aspects of Scottish culture!
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I am looking forward to learning about this part of history I am currently ignorant of. My mother’s family (McCall) as well as my husbands maternal ancestors (Webster) came to the US from Scotland. We are actually coming there in August so this course will be a great addition to our resources for this trip.
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I got the “magazine” reference because this is still a common term for guns. The “fit for a king” explanation brought to mind a reference from the time of Henry VIII. Cardinal Wolsey lived a pseudo royal life at the magnificent Hampton Court Palace. He was goaded by a remark Anne Boleyn made about his court being even more lavish than the king’s. This prompted...
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The speaker is clearly a fan of Wellbeck’s. Is the reference to royalty in reference to the Restoration? The subject seems to be blessed with bravery, loyalty and wealth.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
This should be interesting! I always say most works of fiction are highly riddled with the possibility of interpretation.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
This is a very helpful tool.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I wouldn’t have a first, middle or last name using this alphabet!
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
That is an amazing amount of work!
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Part of my family comes from Ireland. I have always found it a magical and most beautiful place. I have been to Dublin twice and really want to visit Hillsborough Castle in Northern Ireland.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I always see some words/names and the pronunciation confuses me. Most recently Siobhan. I visited Ireland (ver brief layover) and actually did not realize there was an a specific language still in use.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I think she (like Anne Boleyn, Marie Antoinette, the late Princess of Wales and Wallis Simpson) will always be a lightening rod for controversy and speculation.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
Those are beautiful pieces of work and mementoes. I could have done without the duck, though.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
There is a pin overwhelming and ominous male presence in it. The hand on her arm, the military symbols and even a male figure looking in from the outside are part of the message to me. She is completely at the will of the men around her.
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Kim Wiggins made a comment
I find it interesting that, like birth and death records, only very important people had images captured in real life in art that can be verified. Henry’s six wives have images that are argued about til this day and Mary seems to add to the conundrum. Portraits done even contemporaneously are subject to interpretation.
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I very much enjoyed the descriptions and explanations of the different props used as tools in the various portraits. The black used as a symbol of wealth brings to mind the sumptuary laws of the Tudor court.
