Doris MacGibbon
A happy grandmother. Retired corporate trainer and speech and drama teacher. love travel, love reading. Upcycle stuff into stuff! Creative genius lacking the skill to perfect the project, alas.
Location Hamilton, New Zealand
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Thanks for that and your wishes. I will listen out. And I am a beer drinker too!
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@HenrikeBartnitzek no worries. I am only two days by the border near Basil and then with my cousin in Dresden for about 4 days before jetting off to Scandinavia. We are on an 8 week trip from New Zealand.
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I am visiting Germany later in the year! Love the country and the vibe!
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I am not from England, but “what’s your game” can mean, what are you up to? Rather than the physical meaning of game. And the cheeky reply is “hockey” Which is an actual game. A bit of humour.
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Ahhh yes!@JaneHughes
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Doris MacGibbon replied to Doris MacGibbon
Spot on. I thought later, damn I meant my appetite. But wasn’t sure if anyone would bother to read what I wrote. I am a student of literature and yes, have Chaucer on my bookshelf along with many anthologies of Greek, Italian and British Commonwealth poetry. And then there is my drama section.....
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I have to disagree with the the statement “Are always the best”. In every situation? For every reason? And what is best?
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I don’t really think the activiTy has a great deal of validity, it is designed to show a particular outcome rather than really gain new material. So, yes I agree with you. Content and accent mixed with the specific questions showed an aspect of “testing” and how it can be biased and in some ways power based.
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Well, that whet my whistle! Full on interest now.
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I have commented before. A native speaker can teach well if they have learnt HOW to teach the language. It is necessary to move down the steps to conscious competence to be aware of why you do something the way you do it. A non native speaker who can teach well will do better than a native speaker who cannot teach.
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I open my mouth and use clear vowels. I use more than one word to explain things. We are going to travel, to journey, take a trip to ..... as an example. I dial down.
I reply with the fact my accent can be a problem for them to,cope with as well, so we will both keep patient.
I am not good on maes myself so can cope.
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I don’t believe Trump has any plan or way to speak that is designed to influence. He has not changed his delivery. He rambles and sometime finishes with a sound bite. He doesn’t prepare and thank goodness. He would be so much more powerful if he had help with his presentation.
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We have answered this in another section.
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Doris MacGibbon replied to James Rose
And is very annoying. You might have a point. Like certain nationalities hogging all the beach chairs.
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I find many English women speak with a high pitch, slightly unpleasant as the current British Prime Minister does.
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Love it! It is Northern humour which I love. “Hello love, what’s your game?” Reply “ockey wats yours?”
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We have had the research done here in NZ that shows women are not taken as seriously as men in medical situations. You might have heard that recently.
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Perhaps that is what caused the allergy?
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I think as In Imbedded Literacy work, an explanation of the word not understood could help. That is if the CSR picked up on the fact that the department was unclear to the customer. “The reinstatement Department, which is the department that examines your case and decides.....bla bla”
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Very interesting information.
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I am increasingly feeling I am not learning more about Applied Linguistics. I am not a teacher of ESOL and so will follow but might not participate much.
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I guessed speaker 1 to be from Birkenhead where my Dad came from. His accent isn’t as rough and strong as some.
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Give me Richard Burton all the time.
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I am happy with a clear New Zealand accent. I don’t have rising inflection or very flat vowels. I use a light L and avoid glottal stop.
Posh accent in England is usually not a good accent as it necessitates a stiff jaw and palate. -
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Attitude or prejudice by the listener as in any other part of life will influence thendegree of acceptance for ones accent. The more one can speak and dress in a neutral acceptable way the more one might fit in to society. Ashby’ s law applied to Humans. BUT do we wish to do that!
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Doris MacGibbon replied to sara lee
Me Too Sarah
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Doris MacGibbon replied to Nicholas Franklin
Nooooooooooo
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It sounds affected to me this way and I was a Speech and Drama teacher who enjoyed good pronunciation.
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Me too!
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Jenny, yes it is the first rung on the “ladder”. I didn’t mention it as when the language lessons start the student is no longer on this level. Re you enjoying this programme?
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Oh no the Australian was very clear. Very little elocution or speech and drama there. If she did she didn’t keep it up too much. Much like me.
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My finger brushed my iPad and I should have got 6. Which I am ok with. I don’t hear many East European accents. I just had to get the NZ, Australian and English one correct. It was sooo Australian. The difference between feesh and cheeps, fush and chups
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I think when amswering the question we need to be asking, “according to who?”
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I have and sometimes do change my accent slightly. I gave an example in a post earlier.
When I started training in businesses and factories etc and left My Speechstudio, my voice became more normalised NZ and less Received English needed for Trinity exams etc. when we have international visitors staying with us through couch surfing or when we travel I am... -
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Speaker two is an Australasian accent, I think NZ. This is likely the reason it is most understandable for me. It is very fluent. I would not distinguish between, 2,4,5 as most fluent. They are all fluent. I had to make a choice.
Number 5 is affected with extra breath on the voice which adds a theatrical tone which I dislike for an ordinary communication.
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I just had a flash back to the Movie A Fish Called Wanda where John Cleese’s character has a woman in quite a state by speaking a foreign accent.
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When I was first married we had several situations where my husbands Aunt who was very proper, for NZ, might phone. Someone staying might ask, who is Doris speaking to? Or my husband would not ask because he knew. He described it as “she has her Miss Hadden voice one! Miss Hadden was my speech teacher. So yes I definitely have had a special voice for some,...
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Interesting. Way beyond my knowledge but wow!
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Doris MacGibbon replied to Doris MacGibbon
Just heard an education specialist from Finland explaining that the school system there assesses the school and or teachers by standard tests given which do not impact the individual student. Sounds great. Very little assessments at all.
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I will not list all the differences of one of my classrooms to that I. The example as proving my ability is not part of why I am doing this course. I would say the first action the teacher MUST take is to enter the classroom while leaving his/her ego outside!
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I find it hard to believe this is a class from this century! Autocratic and teacher focused with threats used to control class. I am amazed at the students compliance. I doubt it would happen here. Not that the teacher might try but that the class would not accept.
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Great comments below
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Well said. The right to pass is imperative.
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A teacher needs to know how to teach and class room management. Adding stress willy nilly sounds risky. However if a good class agreement has been written up it will refer to the right to pass and the responsibility to take ownership of learning which will be impacted by stress.
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I agree completely. I have always discussed learning, peoples experiences, their expectations and mine. The right to pass is always a part of my facilitation. In case you would like a nice technique. When someone is reluctant to speak and you get a feel they might have something to offer I use this question and it works every time. A quiet gentle voice, “...
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It seems we have had similar challenges.
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This applies to all learning environments. Here in New Zealand I often tutored Maori Trade trainees through communication and interpersonal skills. They had a mix of whaka ma (culture embarrassment or shame) and being staunch (toughness). Hard to get involvement and commitment to SOFT subjects. Low Literacy relates to language development in the first...
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Sry interesting to hear this as language related research.
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Called here language anxiety, it is straight forward stress response with all the physical indicators that lead to a decision of flight or fight or control. Sometimes eustress because it is chosen and enjoyed sometimes distress.
I think it is tied in with learning style also and the more out going and extrovert the person the less likely they are to be... -
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This is very interesting and as I don’t teach languages and am. To learning a language now I am not motivated to do the exercise. I am following the discussion and am enjoying the course.
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I have been lucky in the last couple of decades to be involved with excellent and skilled adult trainers as colleagues and occasionally as my leader.
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I talk to think! And also until I check and hear correct items I will not have finished my learning. If someone gives me instructions it is in their best interests to hear me say yes I have got it and repeat back. This is as a student. As a tutor I can allow silence until an uncomfortable feeling occurs and someone fills it. I don’t teach languages but believe...
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Apart from Languaging being used like this, I am more interested in people’s languaging and its importance above all other communication. It can change ones chances of success of really change the world!
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Understanding personality and learning styles is about being a good teacher or facilitator and those who only learn the subject they teach lose so much of classroom management and understanding of students learning practices. On one hand we have a student who learns by voicing ideas. . They talk to think. I don’t know what I think until I hear what I say! And...
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Thanks for the comment @BadryahAlmesfer and @HeatherC
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Thanks for the comment @BadryahAlmesfer
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@AngeloBerbotto Well said
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Very interesting post. Thanks for sharing, worthwhile. As a three decade Consultant trainer who worked in businesses and factories and more I usually addressed issues like this from the outset I suppose before they actually happened by the set up of the class. I usually spend time explaining the need to spend timing on this - I KNOW - and after talking about...
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This is really fascinating. The whole concept of “Holistic” language development makes very good sense. I will now go back and think about the more recent language learning I have done and see if it involved this style.
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So including tasks to use the language regularly helps the learner to move through the steps of conscious incompetence through conscious competence and on to hopefully unconscious competence.
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Very interesting. Clear and helpful instructions.
We had access to the answers and this step was very useful and hopefully is part of the whole exercise. I am not a ESOL tutor so this is New to me. Really interesting -
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This is repeated through the video. It is important and I am not sure it is explained fully enough. It reminds me of Kolb’s cycle of learning with different terminology. I also think this could apply to other classrooms.
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Doris MacGibbon replied to Amanda Oliver
Thanks Amanda
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I see the list above as slightly different from the task we were given. We answered as a class might look generally when working in groups. If asked to design a check list for individual engagement indicators throughout the learning process then a list like the one above might have been the result we gave. Although I will have left some out. It is a useful list.
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The students are discussing and involved in the content of the task- the words you hear are relevant to that.
The noise level is at busy hum but not at a disruptive level - experience helps with this
Body language and conversation will appear relaxed and involved
The source that has been given, notes, worksheets or similar will be close at hand and being... -
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So topical. NZ is debating and rewriting some High School qualifications. Changing the examination style. It is exactly about this writing tests. If you are interested.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12059594 -
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It has certainly made me think and has been very interesting in general. We have had some great discussions this evening with the whole family around for dinner. Thanks
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Neutral language and inclusive language needs to be used
Unbiased questions
Questions where political and religious beliefs are not compromised
Non leading questions
All assessments can be marked to a prescribed format
All,assessments Can be moderated with ease
Problems and situations given need to be applicable to all candidates or include sufficient... -
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My main comment is below.
I am surprised that this is being discussed as a newish idea. Perhaps teaching philosophy down here is more advanced than we think. -
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I put this in the previous session accidentally- here it is again with more information to describe it.
In New Zealand we have had an advanced practice in Primary schooling. Using formative assessment and concentrating on children’s thinking and problem solving. When new citizens arrive they often are negative about their children not being assessed enough... -
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In New Zealand we have had an advanced practice in Primary schooling. The past government of 9 years added a compulsory national standard, where each child was assessed against the general population and this was recorded regularly. The new government has axed this...children are assessed against their own development expectations.. here is an extract from the...
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The tests had little incentive for me in French. I failed stupendously. However at the same time I won the School French poetry speaking competition.
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The instructions need to be parallel. At one point it says your vote will mean that all memory of tests will be wiped, this is different from your vote will mean no more tests.
I voted no because of the first instruction.My teenage self would vote yes as I failed an important exam in high school as I was a marginal pass and in those days scaling was used...
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Who is the we here? Learners and general citizens or applied linguistic practioners recommending practices to governments or other clients?
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Words fail me! Literally and figuratively- useful comments below
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Thanks for the comment, it moves the discussion along for me very well.
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Doris MacGibbon replied to Sharon Hartle
This really added to the discussion, thanks. Got me thinking.
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I got the sense the first paragraph was written from a point of view of negativity towards testing as it results in winners and losers. As a sole instrument to decide the range of lifetime experiences. The takers of the tests if they understand this make compromises in what they learn and how they behave to maximise their scores.
The second paragraph sounds...
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Those migrating to NZ have similar standards of language skills to pass as one aspect of achieving their work visa prior to resident status. The partner and family of those applying also have standards to meet to gain extra points. It is possible for partners to prepay for ESOL training rather than pass a test. I think it is fair to have a standard as so many...
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Doris MacGibbon replied to Sue Annan
I like your expression about lives depending on their counsel, it is very eloquent. A great example of dodgy and death is the Christchurch earthquake where the majority of deaths were from a badly built building. The firm involved has been seen as incompetent. NZ has very high earthquake standards written in to their codes. A reason immigrants need to upskill...
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Refugees in NZ do not have the same entry level as migrants. English is not a prerequisite if United Nation for Refugees have chosen them. They will have a lot of free help through Home Tutoring schemes and Technical institutes. Which is great. The degree of English spoken is given certain points on the scheme, along with financial security and certain skill...
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On the job training is another area where standards are critical. Some of the trainers I trained and assessed for NZQA unit standards where training in “confined space entry” “traffic management and signage at road works” “using equipment” and more. Peoples lives could be at stake. I am enjoying this part of the programme. -
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I doubt that a language assessment is necessary for a travel agent or other sales representatives unless it is skewed to selling on and other techniques used by the industry.
University examination needs to be fair and to a standard for the examination to have credibility and value. And for assessment to be managed and moderated well.
Court interpreter is... -
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Martin below has answered the question in such a way anything else is superfluous.
I think this description above is too simplistic to be useful it is how Kiwi Host used to train staff in NZ around 1990. I was involved in tRining customer service for general sales staff, government department personnel and also staff thinking of internal customer service for... -
For me the clear headed, analytical, automatic responses needed are amazing. The concentrating and avoidance of distraction is a gift not all are given. Thank goodness we are given other qualities.
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You can hear the pilot ask for priority at least. We are running out of fuel and request priority sir! His tone does sound more relaxed than one would expect.
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Expresses differ ing opinions when necessary and demonstrates critical listening strategies to solve problems
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I don’t wish to be critical and at the same time because this is about language and real world problems I will pass on some feedback. We are international students and might be aware of the exams conducted in Great Britain and are likely to have a different system. Perhaps this text could refer to School exams rather than specific exams such as GCSE and...
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I shall think about how language tests regulate almost everything in our lives....... I am not sure I agree with that statement.
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Not sure if the tick with each answer was for correct or completed. But it looked like we were close to each other’s ideas. I enjoyed the assignment.
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A great resource. I don’t teach ESOL or language development and wondered whether to go through the exercises. Glad I did. After being supporters for 5 refugee families here in Hamilton NZ over 10 years our family have worked a good deal with the everyday lives of the families and children. Some we have listened to their homework etc and this kind of resource...
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Doris MacGibbon replied to Sharon Hartle
A debt of gratitude must be paid for that comment!
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Key. Adjective - important component or idea needed
Noun - obvious, an item that unlocks. Or a clue to a puzzle
Key- proper noun, someone’s surname
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This is really interesting. I missed what Process was. I understand the frequency, range and centrality. So interesting! I know I said that! It is really whetting my appetite.
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Videos are not working for me. Transcripts are fine however. I am finding the videos of talking head types not so appealing and engaging as in some other courses. The subject matter however is brilliant.
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Have learnt French at school and Spanish in Uruguay. Italian in Italy. No books that I recall.
I enjoyed the Spanish. I needed it for shopping etc. we learnt through popular music and ordering food etc. the grandmother taught me in Italy. What a hoot! I finished with learning from going out.
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That your new car! Etc
If this was spoken, I would consider it understandable and acceptable. I would not correct the speaker as I got the message.
I pronounce often without a t! I hear it both ways and one way is preferred by me but the other is not incorrect. The same as different from rather than different to. The first is correct for me.
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In designing training programmes for first line managers to include imbedded literacy, it is surprising how many normal expressions and words are actually idioms and slang. It is not as easy as it is suggested to avoid them. It is important to be diligent and offer different ideas for what you are saying. This makes the speaking time even longer and can be...
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