Rachel Elizabeth Bateman
I am interested in science, music and languages. I began my first online course in July 2018 with Future Learn
Location Switzerland
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This is interesting. I have some anecdotal experience I would like to share.
I was told that I was being tested for ADHD during my stay in an institution (originally for AN-R, then later for detox from BZD medications I had originally been prescribed for original diagnosis).
I was under a lot of stress at the time, both internal and external factors (AN...
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It sounds really hard for children and their parents.
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I would suppose that the main key issues are misunderstanding and stigma. I think better education on the topic for teachers would be the first port of call to help
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@MartinKröninger here’s a link to some Swiss German music with lyrics, my kids were singing it today, great find and this is exactly how people text!
https://open.spotify.com/artist/7wkPBPwF9oOZJ8lEbQjIVt?si=sXtqVL7JTv-eJB_D9zu9lg
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@BethCole ah yes, captions! That's what they're called! Thank you. I will try to find a video from 'Derry or something! Also, I've corrected my mistake in the previous post
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@MartinKröninger it has helped me tremendously to get text messages written in dialect! I can slowly figure it out, read it in my Swissy-est friend's voice in my head, and after that when I hear it it will click!
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This course was jolly good fun! I learned some new things, and especially have enjoyed the interactions with other learners and with the team! Big thanks to the team for this course and for being so engaging with us!
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Jolly interesting! And now I can finally name my accent, it's GNE (or close to it, at least)!
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This made me think of https://www.bbc.com/pidgin
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I will always remember my Sixth Form English Language tutor and his lessons on accents and dialects; how he educated me on overt and covert prestige and more importantly, enlightened me to the fact that "standard" ≠ "correct".
He also had a thick northern (Lancs/Yorks) accent and delivered his lessons very eloquently in his natural accent! (Although he did...
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When watching YouTube videos, it can be quite amusing sometimes when turning on auto-generated subs and watching videos with strong regional accents, what the auto-subs guesses them to be (it's quite creative in its attempts sometimes!) Funnier still is when it subtitles onopatopoeia with actual words (but not with the descriptives; rather with random words...
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Just for fun, this video someone impersonates automated voices really well!
08:51 until 09:51
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I purposefully reduce mine during work interview situations, and when speaking English to non-native speakers
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@MartinKröninger yes I believe you are correct! (Alas I cannot confirm for sure, as I’m non-native and it is not a written language so I can only guess too and this is how I learned it so far! But I would agree with what you said ;)
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@MartinKröninger yes 10 years :)
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I had noticed that "baddies" often have RP accents, and the thickness of this accent is positively correlated with how "extreme" their "baddiness" is! There is a great video about it on YouTube:
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Split infinitives is interesting. In the case of "he's not" vs. "he isn't", I would say either of these, depending on the clause I think, but I hadn't really been conscious of it until now! I think I would use the latter less often, but more likely when I am using it in a longer statement with multiple clauses; whereas I would be more likely to say "he's not"...
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My mindset is certainly different now, it's much more positive! Also, even though my accent hasn't altered significantly since I was 15 or 20 (this is interesting since I spent almost the entirety of my 20s completely immersed in East Lancs accent, which is bizarrely so different to the Mancunian accent in which I'd been immersed for most of my life prior to...
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I definitely like to identify as a Northerner (I think this would be covert prestige!), although due to my immersion in Southern accents during formative years due to close family connections my accent seems to have solidified somewhat, since the age of around 15; into what I had throughout my 20s and early 30s, lamented as "a boring, non-descript" accent, or...
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@MartinKröninger just for fun, here's some Schwiitzerdüütsch taken from an excerpt of a group chat on Whatsapp, see if you can translate it into standard German!
Ich het no e vorigi 2 zimmerwohnig, 2 Badezimmer, Terrasse zur Donau, 12min zFuess vo de… Falls öper weisch, schicki meh Infos dezue
Ich wüssti gad niämert und sälber mussi schaffä dänn.
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because the Lancs immersion happened after the age of 21, while the Bucks and Cheshire happened mostly before the age of 15. Do accents mostly "set" around the time we become adults?
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Same, regarding the glottal stop! I'd wondered how that was, but reading your 'little' and 'water' example and where you are from, this helped me to understand... I'm not from Bucks but I have family who are from there, I spent a lot of time during my childhood being immersed in the Bucks accent so I recognise this!
I would guess that if you read your whole...
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I’ve often wondered about this. Where I live people use local dialect (Swiss German). When I’m speaking amongst friends this is fine, but sometimes people I don’t know will “correct” me, even when initially they had been speaking in dialect. I have a foreign accent, so they obviously hear it. Perhaps they are simply trying to accommodate me, but I’ve often...
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@ClaireChilds haha! I think you're right, "giving Walter White" means "giving [off] Walter White vibes"! However, I'm sure if I told my daughter that's how I'd say it she might say I was "giving Millennial", as Gen Z don't need to voice the word "vibes" because it is assumed and therefore unnecessary! Lol. I have a baby nephew, so from him I should hope to...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
Very interesting! Are both normal? I had been led to believe by one particular individual that a salient personal identity is pathological
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Very interesting to reflect on this. I realise that I would definitely have to use multiple labels, also that I am less aware of each of them and to what degree I change my language when communicating in different spheres. Perhaps indeed it is not possible to put a label on identity, because each of us have so many of these labels, that our identity is unique...
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@ClaireChilds I love the "because internet" example!
Vibes is another good one. Also "vibing" is a good example of a new verb (from what I gather online, it means "having a good time"!)
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@BethCole I just asked my Gen Z kids about "she's giving" (they are 13, 16 and 17) my daughter gave some examples. She's ironing some patches on to some clothes rn (right now), so she explained to me you would say "she's giving housewife" (because she is ironing).
Some hypothetical examples: If someone were cooking a certain stimulant in a trailer,...
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I found a lot of this very relatable, both for myself and for my experience as a parent observing behaviors in my children..
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I had been unaware of the fMRI studies on ADHD therefore had not considered that it could be organic.
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
Is the third paragraph in regard to pruning?
Although I was already aware of the divergence of dopaminergic pathways in ADHD and the standard chemical treatment with dopamine releasers like amphetamines, and reuptake inhibitors like Ritalin, I was unaware of the aspects of GABA systems also being divergent.
I have found that I could function a lot...
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Thanks for sharing. I recently spent some time on a general acute station in a residential psychiatric hospital. I know I was tested for both ADHD and bipolar (it wasn't revealed to me whether I was tested for BPD or not, but I think maybe not as I did not present the hallmark criterion for self-harm and have no history of suicide attempts)
I did notice,...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
In answer to the question, I would guess that culture may influence diagnostics. Some of the criteria may be seen as divergent in some cultures, while completely normal in others?
Interesting to read the statistics re drug addiction disorders. Having spent significant time with a large number of individuals from this cohort, it seems way more prevalent than...
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@NicoleV I would be one of those. I was considered "gifted" in music, and passed the m.e.n.s.a test, with very high score at age 11. However, later on I dropped out of school at one point, then never finished uni, never had a career and spent my whole adult life in and out of the MH care systems. I'm 42 now
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
I am a student of neuroscience (Undergrad), also I have personal interest in this topic as I’ve had it on my own differential diagnosis. I would like to understand the differences between symptoms and normal behaviors. Last time I was being tested, I consciously sabotaged it somewhat since I knew some of the more overt symptoms to try to subdue and also which...
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Agreed!
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I’m looking forward to understanding the differences between symptoms and normal behaviors. Last time I was being tested, I consciously sabotaged it somewhat since I had concerns about my treatment being distracted from larger issues and honestly, there was a very real fear at the time that having multiple diagnoses might lead to involuntary admission. I have...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
Hello thank you for this course. I am studying neuroscience at the OU, also I have personal interest in this topic as I’ve had it on my own differential diagnosis.
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@MartinKröninger thanks for pointing that out, Scots had slipped my mind (I have a Scottish born friend but I still haven’t gotten around to visiting Scotland!)
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Yes! I am thoroughly enjoying this course, also thanks to fellow learners for the discussions and thanks to the educators for interacting with us!
I am paying a lot more attention to my accents, also with my application to my non-native languages.
Also, since one of my favorite recollections from studying linguistics 20 years ago in sixth form is pidgin...
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Unique to second gen is when they learned a word in German first, and this just seems to stick (even when I check with them by pointing it out every time they do it). For example, when signing tests at school. “Signature” is a word they’d never heard until they started school, so they still say to me even after 10 years, “mum would you put your Unterschrift...
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@HusseinSabah interesting, thanks for your insights!
I code-switch to a sort of Spanglish when speaking English in a Spanish speaking country, but this is different to what I notice myself doing with German, it’s less conscious. I’ll often utter something and then immediately after I’ll think to myself, “I did not sound like a native English speaker at all...
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@MartinKröninger that is very interesting. In English this suffix is not used as often, but when it is used it would be -y. Always in Switzerland is is -li from what I’ve seen. When high German (or “schriftdeutsch” is spoken with Swiss accent it is -chen but with the distinctive pronunciation of ‘ch’, which is closer to ‘k’ but the exact sound doesn’t appear...
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@BethCole yes you are right! I just had to repeat the sentence several times before I realised it is not a glottal stop after all. The ‘t’ formation is still being made. Fascinating stuff!
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Ineke Fioole
@InekeFioole when you say “king” and “cool” is the same? Mine is almost like the start of a smile when I say “king”, but more like the start of an air-kiss when I say “cool”!
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@KathrynTrout I’ve noticed too, in Switzerland young people tend to have very good or fluent English. My kids have a British accent bc we are from UK but most of their friends speak with more American vowels and rhotic R’s. They have an ambiguous trans-Atlantic accent generally but it definitely doesn’t sound English-English!
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@MartinKröninger interesting! Do they use ‘’chen’ in the north of the country? Would I be correct to assume that the word “bisschen” is still used all over? (Here it’s “bitzeli”!)
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@BenGibb-Reid thanks for the explanation, I can see it in my mind now! It’s so fascinating, how we just pick these imitations up so innately that even when I was trying to articulate how I form these sounds I still had trouble! It’s so complex, yet we just… do it somehow! Child language acquisition is incredible and most people (including myself) take it for...
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@MartinKröninger yes! Zürisee, well spotted! Thanks for the education regarding the suffix, I assumed people in Germany would be as fond of adding ‘chen’ to everything as ‘li’ around here, I didn’t know in Bavaria it is not used so much!
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I can definitely hear the "true" glottal stops used in the middle of words. The ends can be more tricky to differentiate whether it's a dampened 't' or a true glottal stop. I hope this is a good example (and if it isn't then I hope someone can correct me!), but I would say that the dampened 't' or soft glottal stop I am referring to would be universal in the...
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One of the speakers has more of an RP accent than the other, and she seems to use a softer glottal stop, but only at the end of words (besides when she pronounced 't' in the word 'lot' for emphasis). I perceive this as a form of glottal stop but I'm not sure, as it does sound much more subtle when used at the end of a word and it's not just this one...
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@AidanWightman ah thank you for this! It had been on the tip of my tongue, but I couldn't remember which verb it was. I was going to mention sneak and snook too!
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I had noticed a lot of similarities between English and German (I/me, ich/mich for example; although I'm actually not sure if there is a dative equivalent to mir in English even though it's my native language? Also house/haus and house/mouse as another example)
I had also noticed shared irregularity and similarities to conjugations of certain verbs in...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Amelia Lee
From my (somewhat limited) experience in learning new languages, and also from teaching English to non-native speakers, it would appear that this may be the case. One example I recall from the latter is the challenge many non-native speakers have in pronunciation of the "th" sound, and the differentiation between voiced (as in "this" and "that" and the...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Ineke Fioole
@InekeFioole I am a native English speaker and I would say most (at least in British English) accents the word "cool" does not have a "w" sound. I think what @ChristopherCorcoran was pointing out is the similarity in the labial positioning in the words "cool" and "awkward". The differences in sounds are very subtle but easier to hear if you pay attention to...
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Thanks for this! Although I don't naturally speak with RP myself, I hear it enough from friends and family members to be very familiar with it. However none of them are "extremely posh", and when I listen to extremely "posh" people I do hear some differences. I found an example here on YouTube the late Queen Elizabeth says the word "here" at 0:17...
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I am noticing a prescriptive element here again and also deep respect and gratitude for the celestial phenomena and The Creator.
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Thank you for the English translations, reading the English I noticed that the style of this surah from the Qur'an is more epic, especially lines 11 through 14 which are in third person past tense. Whereas in the kahin, it is in first person present and less elaborate.
Thank you also for the transliterations; I do not speak Arabic so these have enabled me...
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I think Beaumont wants to encourage her readers to seek out true love, although I do think there is some misfire happening here as the relationship between Belle and Bete comes across as somewhat co-dependent.
I do notice that in this century the equivalent would be to not get bewitched by how people tend to portray themselves on social media! Although we...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
This does not work in real life at all! Not in my experience, at least. Concealing one's own pain for the sake of sparing one's loved ones from it, ultimately seems to cause them even greater pain.
In answer to the question, I think there is however a good point to this, stoicism can be appropriate sometimes; and certainly the virtue-signalling onion tears...
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Some human-resembling form but larger and more muscular, perhaps with horns and/or fangs or tusks!
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To echo what other learners have said, as an adult revisiting the story it hits different. Especially since I’ve had so many of my own experiences since, and many of them negative due to people pleasing and being taken advantage of. Real life is not always like a fairy tale. However, on the flip side I have also learned through experience that compassion,...
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I felt a little out of my depth here but nonetheless very interesting, I should probably revisit this page!
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Thanks for your contributions fellow learners! Apologies for the very likely sloppiness with where I drew the boundaries. I made mine very basic, only differentiating Gaelic, RP, northern vowels and rhotic Westcountry & Wales. Interestingly, I just checked on rhoticity as I had wondered whether to include Scotland and Ireland in there too. Rhoticity sounds...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
Very interesting the last few articles and videos, the overlap between linguistics and psychology. I remember some topics for both these subjects were identical when I was studying for A levels. Research ethics is something else I just noticed during this course!
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It do be like that sometimes, 100%!
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I had to stop and replay 0:48 to check I'd heard it right! Nice, especially if that was done intentionally ;)
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I can tell you that "barm" is frequently used in Lancashire, though I would tend to hear only older people use it, iirc.
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
I would call this a roll in English, though where I live that is a brötli or perhaps a semmeli to be more specific
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@BenGibb-Reid thank you so much for these links! Yes, I agree- very interesting topic! While it is useful to know the standard way to conjugate verbs, it can be delightful to see it written down! In Swiss German, the "n" from an auxilliary verb at the end of a sentence is usually dropped (and from what I can see so far also often dropped from any verb for that...
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Rules are funny, and challenging them can be risky! I remember resisting for so long, the non-standard use of the word "ironic". The first ever time I used it online in the non-standard way, which had previously irritated me for being "incorrect"; I thought I should finally get with the times, so to speak- someone "corrected" me! I had to chuckle because I...
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@BethCole it does! Also it helps when learning new languages or dialects. For example, I am learning Swiss German after having first learned High German. Noticing the subtle pattern differences in phoneme pronunciation allows me to figure a lot of it out for myself (which for the most part I have to, as it's generally not a written language although friends...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
To varying extents in order of fluency, I know English, German, Swiss German, Spanish, Italian and French and similar words which instantly spring to mind are night/Nacht/nacht/noche/notte/nuit and eight/acht/ocht/ocho/otto/huit. I noticed that in each language these words either rhyme or are spelled similarly as well. The romance languages share grammatical...
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Indeed subjective, thank you both for highlighting this!
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I find this concept so aesthetically pleasing!
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Kath C
Somewhat related to this thread and also this page, I am also on another FL course at the moment called The Qu'ran between Judaism and Christianity, it is interesting how the two converge somewhat.
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Rwth Hunt
That is very interesting! I love how linguistics comes into other fields, I studied child language acquisition in A-level psychology as well as in English language (the curriculum was pretty much the same!)
When my own children were young I revisited the topic and recall that during a period of time following birth all children globally have the capacity...
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The commonalities made my mind jump to the silk road! I already knew German (Seide) and Spanish (seda) so I looked up some others and found startling similarities here too!
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A good refresher, I still find it fascinating how some of these seemingly quite different language groups originated from the same root. Looking forward to learning about that.
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I get more out of these courses with active participation and I enjoy engaging in respectful debates, whether in reply or even just with likes to other students' comments.
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Besides my native English I know two other Germanic languages quite well and one Romance language, plus tiny bits of several others in each category. I also study biology, and have noticed the influences of languages in that field as pointed out by Lotte. I learned to read music at an early age and have also made some connections there. It's reassuring to know...
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This course looks very interesting and the presentation of the introduction made it sound like fun also. Thank you!
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It is beautiful to look upon this text as poetry. I had noticed that the word palindrome popped into my head, before I read the explanation!
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Arlinda Alves
@ArlindaAlves you are not alone! Exposure is key to becoming more familiar with the differences. I too used to struggle to distinguish between Aus, NZ and S.Afr accents, though they sound clear to me now, it took time!
In answer to Britain, England and United Kingdom; Britain covers the whole mainland (including Wales and Scotland), United Kingdom also...
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Slightly off-topic but (this is a very good translation from the original German btw) interestingly, the verb "packen" is used in the German version I found online, which is an inaccurate translation for "hug" in English. Packen translates to a more aggressive action like "snatch" or "seize". Furthermore, when around German speakers using colloquialisms and...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Arlinda Alves
Hi. Are you from outside the UK? I left the UK almost a decade ago and learned a new language, and have since realised that only after becoming familiarised with regional differences they become easier to understand, and found parallels between my learned foreign language and my native English. I have also noticed parallels in other English speaking countries...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman replied to Claire Childs
Thank you for this clarification! On first hearing it I was going to say south Manchester as the first speaker has an accent similar to my own. Then I heard some distinctive Yorkshire vowel pronunciations so I decided to guess that for both. I guess I didn't pick up on the nuanced differences between the two!
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Thank you for these articles, very interesting!
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I think that we already see more accent variation than we did maybe 20 or 30 years ago before the internet really took off. It seems like there are more amalgamations emerging due to exposure of some accents influencing others, trends and innovation. In a way there is more diversity but in another way the adaptations seem to diminish differences between...
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While I don't agree with him that deviations from standard should be termed "evil" and such, I do, however agree with him that standard forms should be preserved as an "art". In a similar way to how calligraphy is practiced as art. I like to practice too, when I am writing academically. Deviations from standard are also a form of art. I like to practice ...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
This is particularly interesting for me as the last time I was studying linguistics was at school (I left in 2001). At this time, people my own age had begun online interactions but it was not mainstream, it was limited to young people for the most part so it was barely touched upon at school. Also, identification into groups such as sexual orientation was...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
As a British-English speaker living outside the UK, I gather that the stereotype is either that we are all intellectuals who drink lots of tea, or that we are all football fans!
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Fellow manc! Hi.
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This email speaks rather a lot about the sender, they are diminishing their own prestige! In my experience, only insecure people would put someone else down directly like that. People who are comfortable in their own accent would not try to "correct" others (it is different for grammar though, for example it seems socially acceptable to point out your/you're...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
Could it have something to do with register? (wild guess!) I have witnessed people adopting shifts in the way they express or articulate themselves when speaking different languages (or indeed when they either amplify or diminish an accent)
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I would estimate that while the "strength" of each individual accent will weaken as they all begin to sound more similar to each other, also new variations will appear as people adopt parts others into their own. Is this already happening or do I imagine it?
Also I was not aware of the Scottish-English border accents, I will be interested to learn about it!
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I think they are not claiming that they are just repeating judgements others have made. I can tell you that I, too have experienced this and I am certainly not "posh", lol. Because my regional accent is "light", my Mancunian fellows with stronger accents often assume I am from the south of UK, or when they want to be rude (usually children that insult each...
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
Yorkshire! Having left the UK almost 10 years ago it seems like I can detect regional accents even more easily than before, since I am not used to hearing them so they sound so distinct! These are not "strong" accents though.
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Rachel Elizabeth Bateman made a comment
Ooh I love accents! I find music in their diversity. True, that all are equal and this was something that had challenged my previously narrow view when I first studied linguistics. I continue to have my personal favorites, also my personal less-than favorites, however I am mindful that it does not objectively go beyond that.
