Skip to 0 minutes and 8 secondsIt’s a real pleasure for me to have Lindsey Gilson here with me today. And Lindsey is Associate Professor at the University of Cape Town where she’s based at the plant conservation unit. Her key research interests are in long-term conservation of ecosystems. And I think when we talk long-term, for me, Lindsey, it’s like, you know, really deep time long-term. And one of the things I’ve really been interested in is how extinctions have caused changes in both plants and in animals. And basically ecosystems. And what I’m wondering about is that today we’re facing the sixth extinction. And in your opinion, what is the biggest drivers that is causing this extinction? Okay.
Skip to 0 minutes and 50 secondsWell, I think the biggest drivers are things like habitat loss, fragmentation and degradation which all put stress on populations and species. Added to this are pollution and, of course, climate change. And what’s particularly worrying at the moment is how these factors interact. So for example, an ecosystem that’s stressed by pollution or invasive species, will be much more vulnerable to climate change. So we get these interacting effects. And the other thing that can happen is a trophic cascade. So, if we lose one species, it might have knock-on effects for other parts of the ecosystem. For example, a pollinator might be lost. Or, you know, predators might lose their prey and so on. And have we seen these kinds of incidences already?
Skip to 1 minute and 35 secondsYes, they’re definitely starting to happen. For example, there’s a very famous picture that you might have seen of a red fox that’s killed an arctic fox. And this is showing the red fox moving into the habitat, moving northwards, into previously colder areas and actually out-competing the existing species. So these things are starting to happen. Yes. That’s really quite sad to see populations change in our own time. I think that that’s a most difficult thing is to know also, that we, as humans, are driving a lot of this as well. So, you know, we say, habitat fragmentation, deforestation, but it’s all being driven by humans. Yes.
Skip to 2 minutes and 14 secondsSo, in one way it’s sad, but in another way it’s quite empowering because we are the drivers and therefore we have the choice to change things as well Exactly. I’m so glad you said that, because at least that means there is a way in which we can make a difference. Yes. And can you help me understand how can we actually better conserve environments today if we look at long-term changes? I mean, is that a reasonable question? Yes, that is a good question. And I think there’s three main ways. So the first is, we can look back at past warmer climates. So, for example, a thousand years ago in the Medieval Warm Period.
Skip to 2 minutes and 53 secondsAnd about six thousand years ago, in the mid-Holocene alti-thermal, we had warmer climates. So we can use a paleo record and see how ecosystems responded to that. Obviously it’s imperfect because things aren’t exactly the same as in the past, but it does give us an idea. So that’s one thing. And we can use those paleo records to test how well our models do. So, if models can predict really well, what happened in the past, we're more confident about the future, their future predictions. So that’s one thing. Another thing is that ecosystems are always changing. So the landscapes and ecosystems that we see today, are actually snapshots. They’re a product of their history.
Skip to 3 minutes and 29 secondsSo all sorts of things might be causing ecosystem change, not just climate change. They might be recovering from a past disturbance event, like a fire. We may be seeing an impact of human management, or a stoppage of human management. So what we’re seeing when we look at dynamic landscapes is a whole lot of interacting drivers. So, to me, we can’t interpret changes that are going on now, unless we see where ecosystems have come from. And that can really help us develop a kind of past, present, future perspective, that I think’s essential. And then the third main way, to my mind, is restoration. So, as we talked about, I’m optimistic that humans can reverse some of the damage that we’ve done.
Skip to 4 minutes and 15 secondsBut what do we restore ecosystems to? So, we need to look back to the past to choose ecological states that we’re happy with and give good benefits to biodiversity and society in the future. Well, that’s really fascinating actually. And so, I guess these are the ways in which we can mitigate these sixth extinction. Is there anything that the ordinary person on the street can do? I mean, you know, for every single one of us, we all that feel passionate about our planet, is there things that we can do? Yes, everyone can help, I feel. So we can be careful about the choices we make, as consumers. We can reduce, reuse and recycle.
Skip to 4 minutes and 50 secondsSo that all helps reduce stress on the environment. We can make choices about the transport that we use, for example. And we can tell people. So, we can communicate with our friends. We can try and inspire children. We can inspire our students. And I think all that helps. Exactly, I think that’s what everybody would like to know, is that they themselves can do something. One of the things that I’ve learned is that, you know, we protect, certain areas to try andconserve species within those areas, but it’s not enough. So what can people actually do to better conserve ecosystems? Yes, this is a very good point. So protected areas are a vital part of conservation.
Skip to 5 minutes and 38 secondsBut they only cover about 10 to 12% of the land surface. Where we have about 30 to 40% under food production. So, I think, what we need to do is start embedding our protected area network system, into a broader landscape approach to conservation and wildlife management. So for example, we might have buffer areas around protected areas that are used for things like wildlife friendly farming. So they’re providing ecosystem services, like food production. But they’re also providing habitat, directly, and also connectivity between protected areas. So I do think we need a much more integrated approach, where we look at landscapes as multi-functional. Without such a boundary division between wildlife areas and non-wildlife areas. Exactly. That’s an interesting point, actually.
Skip to 6 minutes and 31 secondsSo I hope the people that manage parks listen to what you have to say. I mean, is there any way that one can actually talk to the policy makers, and the people that do the land reforms? Well, it’s already happening, quite nicely. Is it. Wonderful So, for example, the biosphere reserve model is exactly this. Multi-functional approach. Where you have a core area that’s strictly protected. And then buffer areas that allow various gradations of use for things like ecotourism, for example, or grazing, or harvesting non-timber forest products. So these kind of models are happening, and I think there’s an increasing realisation that societies care about the landscapes they live in.
Skip to 7 minutes and 12 secondsand the more benefits they get from them, the more they look after them. That’s wonderful. Lindsey thank you so much for coming to talk to us. It’s been a real pleasure chatting with you. And I think that people will be delighted to know that each and every one of us can do something to help save our planet. So, thank you very much. Pleasure. Thanks Anusuya.
I asked Professor Lindsey Gillson, an ecologist studying the long term conservation of ecosystems, about her concerns regarding the Anthropocene. The extinctions of modern biota are being caused by factors such as habitat loss, habitat fragmentation and degradation. There are also problems with pollution and, of course, climate change.
Losing one species can have disastrous knock-on effects for other parts of the ecosystem - ‘trophic cascade’ where for example, the loss of a pollinator can lead to the collapse of other species. There is an increasing recognition about the delicate balance of ecosystems - watch this video about the re-introduction of wolves into the Yellowstone National Park.
These observations can remind us how dynamic ecosystems are - a particular challenge facing those interested in restoration work. How do we choose which point in the past to ‘restore’ to?
The paleo-records of the past can help us immediately by giving an idea of what our world has experienced with warmer climates - a 1000 years ago (Medieval Warm Period) and 6000 years ago (mid-Holocene multi-thermal). Although imperfect, we can see how the ecosystems responded to the higher temperatures. Using the data about the past can also help scientists to build models about how temperature affected ecosystems – getting these to accurately plot what did happen is a great test for the tools we will need to develop for future scenarios of ecosystem change.
Despite the serious threats facing our ecosystems, Prof Gillson was very optimistic about the possibilities for reducing destructive human behaviour. What do you think?